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04 Oct 2008, 8:36 am

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Wow interesting topic. After my older sister thought I had Asperger's I researched the topic and the more I find out the more I am pretty sure I have it. I agree the only person that knows who you truly are is you. My behaviors are interesting I question an action and I've had a fellow Aspie say yep that's this trait of Apersger's or this trait. So I'm learning more and more what traits I have everyday. IMO it's a really tricky thing to get diagnosed since the traits can very to haveing not many to alot of them etc. Also it depends on WHO you deal with if you are aiming for an official diagnosis (when I mention the disorder to my Psychiatrist he said no that's something diagnosed in childhood and there aren't pills for it anyway) So it falls onto that issue aswell. I also agree everyone is entitled to there own opinion and the people who talk about getting something official you have to look at the costs and such. Very neat topic though.


You have bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, not Asperger Syndrome.


How can you make a statement like that based on what he said?


Seconded. Since we're making this a matter of expertise, what is your own FLM? On what basis do you make this judgment? Would you mind sharing this seemingly invisible criteria?


M.


I think it was a joke. With how so many of us get diagnosed with all these other things rather than AS. Maybe I'm wrong though.



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04 Oct 2008, 9:37 am

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They say that a breakdown in the connectivity of the brain (certain areas process certain things, and they're then connected to the frontal lobe for the final working out of), is a possible reason for Autism. Now, if parts of the brain don't actually communicate with other portions, they're then stagnate/disordered compared to those who have a brain that talks to each part as it experiences the world around it.

I don't have any links, but I doubt the journals and papers would be that hard to find (it's in neurology rather than genetics/psychology).

It's social immaturity that I mean, rather than that IQ thingy (which doesn't do much at all); if one has a part of their brain that controls social functioning (or multiple parts that come together, but since they can't, all of the information is sitting around doing nothing but confusing the person), and if this part can't send its information on for processing, it is going to manifest as immature/inappropriate behaviour.

Whether this is right or not, I don't know, but I know that people with ASDs are socially immature; it's one explanation.


Oh, hmm. Yeah, could be that, could also be lack of practice with socializing with people who process the world in similar ways to them, relative to non-autistic people. Who knows. But what you're saying here makes more sense at least. Maybe I was taking you too literally myself.


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04 Oct 2008, 9:53 am

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Wow interesting topic. After my older sister thought I had Asperger's I researched the topic and the more I find out the more I am pretty sure I have it. I agree the only person that knows who you truly are is you. My behaviors are interesting I question an action and I've had a fellow Aspie say yep that's this trait of Apersger's or this trait. So I'm learning more and more what traits I have everyday. IMO it's a really tricky thing to get diagnosed since the traits can very to haveing not many to alot of them etc. Also it depends on WHO you deal with if you are aiming for an official diagnosis (when I mention the disorder to my Psychiatrist he said no that's something diagnosed in childhood and there aren't pills for it anyway) So it falls onto that issue aswell. I also agree everyone is entitled to there own opinion and the people who talk about getting something official you have to look at the costs and such. Very neat topic though.


You have bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, not Asperger Syndrome.


How can you make a statement like that based on what he said?



He's trolling. Ignore him; he is only doing that because she wouldn't give him her phone number and she blocked him right after he asked. Just trying to upset her but I've told her to ignore him.

I was so glad she decided not to leave this forum over him after she read my advice.



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04 Oct 2008, 10:13 am

i agree with meowpurr... i am thankfully diagnosed woop woop!!



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04 Oct 2008, 12:07 pm

My word is maybe those of you who have a offical diagnoses couldn't really have it... There are so many similarties to other things.
Psychologists and therapists could be wrong.



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04 Oct 2008, 12:12 pm

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So if you are really concerned about public perception stop behaving like elitist twats, recognise that you have a mental disorder, and start respecting the many 'NT's' who work tirelessly to try and help us.


Maybe if I had met some of those "NTs who work tirelessly to try and help us" I wouldn't have such a warped view of my AS.

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04 Oct 2008, 12:47 pm

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And while Ellis Island was a long time ago, it screened out disabled people and ill people.

In the USA an immigration law passed in 1882 excluded convicts, lunatics and people who might become a public charge. In 1903 epileptics were added to the list of banned categories. An immigration law passed in 1907 banned the entry of any person with an impairment that might affect their ability to earn a living. It targeted people with mental, mobility and sensory impairments, those with physical deformities, as well as people who used assistive devices such as crutches and canes. By 1917 the long list of physical conditions that could be used to exclude a potential immigrant included arthritis, asthma, flat feet and varicose veins, also any sign of slow or poor development. Arrivals at Ellis Island had to submit to physical and mental tests to determine their suitability for entry. Hundreds of thousands of potential immigrants were identified as unfit by these tests and turned away. A history of how disabled people were barred from entering the United States is in this book: http://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0275982262 , see the chapter A Historical Introduction. Helen Keller would have been barred from entering the USA.



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04 Oct 2008, 2:08 pm

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^Meowpurr's point has nothing to do with self diagnosed passing off as professionally diagnosed. Nothing to do with any of your post really. Just pointing that out.

Anyway, Meowpurr's concern is the fact that there are some who "suspect" they have Asperger's, and go around blabbing it to the world. Which then causes a change in perception, on what Asperger's really is.


My question is Who is going out there and telling anyone they have Asperger's without proof? For one thing, it's hard enough to explain when you DO have the proof (people not 'in the know' automatically associate it with mental retardation), and this includes people that work in the social services and/or mental health business.

When I told my mother last year about the possiblity of my son having AS, she said, "Oh my God, are you going to have to have him institutionalized?" (Bear in mind, she has a PhD in medical anthropology and a Master's in sociology and yet knows next to nothing about autism). It took me over an hour to get her to understand what I was talking about - and she is an educated woman. I had not told her about my mental health history up until then because she likes to use stuff like that against me. This is why. The level of ignorance out in RL is staggering and I personally haven't met anyone online or offline who has gone out of their way to say "Hey, guess what? I have AS" to friends/family or strangers when they really don't have or otherwise can't prove it. What would be the point? Unles they have Munchausen's syndrome and just want sympathy, the idea of doing such a thing makes no sense at all. This is probably why I misunderstood the OP's first post. People may come here to the forum and claim to have AS just to 'fit in' (again, why? Munchausen's?) but before long they get bored and leave. But out in the world? No way. I don't even tell potential employers about it (when they could get a tax deduction for hiring me) because I simply don't want the burden of explaining it over and over again. It's just easier to let people think I'm weird.


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04 Oct 2008, 2:19 pm

Hmmm....it seems to me that self-identifying is pretty valid. Really, the only reason for a diagnosis is to secure services. Other than that, if you think you are, you probably at least have some components of ASD. Mind you, you might be high-functioning and whiz through life without a care -- which is far different than those who struggle every day.

But this isn't about being pregnant -- it's not binary -- it is VERY much a spectrum, and if you believe you have issues that correlate to the current (and, frankly quite incomplete and inaccurate) DSM IV criteria, then, you belong to this wonderful club!