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21 Oct 2012, 8:32 pm

I consider NVLD to be an "autistic cousin". ADHD and sensory processing disorder are too.

Themselves they are not on the autistic spectrum. They share more traits and can relate more to people on the autistic spectrum than other disorders can, and they are possible comorbids.



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24 Oct 2012, 9:35 am

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There's no uniform approach. Much of the literature claims that there is a marked decline in social abilities in NLD in adulthood, and mention the high rate of suicide around age 50 for this reason.


Do you have any actual citations? This is true for me and I want to use NLD as part of a disability application.



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24 Oct 2012, 9:50 am

nvld is just a milder form of AS.i suspect most un DX aspies have nvld.in the same way aspergers is just a milder form of classic kanner autism,NVLD is a milder form of aspergers.

like what donna williams said in the book "autism and sensing,the unlost instinct" being autistic is the same as being normal just with the vollume turned up to high.its all a spectrum of severity of sensory perception


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24 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm

Janvier, you'll find a lot about this if you google NLD. Most is about young kids, of course, but there are a few websites about adults.


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24 Oct 2012, 5:33 pm

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nvld is just a milder form of AS.i suspect most un DX aspies have nvld.in the same way aspergers is just a milder form of classic kanner autism,NVLD is a milder form of aspergers.


But asperger's isn't just as milder form of classic autism either. Neither of these statements make sense.

Asperger's is a form of autism that has people verbal and when they're young able to do certain types of self care (And it makes no statements about how they age, just that they have no speech delay and that they learned specific skills on time even if they stopped gaining self care skills after that point). Asperger's isn't necessarily mild.

NVLD is specifically a learning disability. This is not the same as autism. It has overlapping symptoms, but that does not make it a mild version. People with autism don't necessarily show the types of cognitive profiles that people with NVLD do. It also can vary in severity and isn't necessarily mild.

Related disorder, sure. But NVLD is not a mild form of AS and AS is not a mild form of classic autism.



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24 Oct 2012, 9:36 pm

Tuttle wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
nvld is just a milder form of AS.i suspect most un DX aspies have nvld.in the same way aspergers is just a milder form of classic kanner autism,NVLD is a milder form of aspergers.


But asperger's isn't just as milder form of classic autism either. Neither of these statements make sense.

Asperger's is a form of autism that has people verbal and when they're young able to do certain types of self care (And it makes no statements about how they age, just that they have no speech delay and that they learned specific skills on time even if they stopped gaining self care skills after that point). Asperger's isn't necessarily mild.

NVLD is specifically a learning disability. This is not the same as autism. It has overlapping symptoms, but that does not make it a mild version. People with autism don't necessarily show the types of cognitive profiles that people with NVLD do. It also can vary in severity and isn't necessarily mild.

Related disorder, sure. But NVLD is not a mild form of AS and AS is not a mild form of classic autism.
read Autism and sensing (the unlost instinct) by donna williams


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24 Oct 2012, 10:33 pm

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It also can vary in severity and isn't necessarily mild.


It's very upsetting to me that people consider me "extremely mild". I don't understand how someone who is not able to maintain relationships even with any family, let alone friends, can be considered MILDLY affected. I'd like to say to them, try living the way I live, then see if you can call it mild.


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27 Oct 2012, 12:00 am

It is not autism, but as pointed out, many people on the spectrum do have it. I've read a book though that says that there are some NVLD individuals who can't quality for an ASD diagnosis, which would prove, IMO, that NVLD by itself--while similar in many ways--is not an ASD.


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04 Nov 2012, 2:34 pm

Moondust wrote:
Janvier, you'll find a lot about this if you google NLD. Most is about young kids, of course, but there are a few websites about adults.


I have spent an enormous amount of time searching and reading about NLD and Aspergers as a special education advocate. I have seen nothing scholarly or reputable (e.g., CDC, or even WebMD) specifically regarding your comment about adults that I can use, which is exactly why I asked for specific cites. So "Google is your friend" wasn't really a helpful answer.



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04 Nov 2012, 2:40 pm

Search in PubMed, not Google. Or use Google Scholar, probably moar moar moar access to full text of papers that way.



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04 Nov 2012, 3:01 pm

Google Scholar is really useful.



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28 May 2013, 1:14 am

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They say most aspies have NLVD too. I don't think so. They say NLD is the same as AS, just diagnosed by educators while AS tends to be diagnosed by Psychiatrists, etc.


NLD is a diagnosis given by educators?

I was given an NLD diagnosis by a clinical psychologist, not an educator.


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28 May 2013, 1:24 am

I am going to say what's absolutely correct, but people are going to disagree with me.

NLD is typically diagnosed as Learning Disorder -NOS. NLD alone is not an autistic disorder and is quite distinct from one. In fact, most people with mild cases of NLD learn normal social skills just fine and easily pass for normal. You have tons of socially normal people who are bad drivers and get lost and are klutzy. These have NLD.

HOWEVER, severe NLD is more than just a learning disability. The criteria for Asperger's Syndrome or PDD-NOS (or Autistic Disorder under the DSM V) frequently capture the severe cases of NLD.

So is NLD itself an autistic disorder?

No. But NLD often shows up as one due to the fact that the ASD diagnostic criteria do not inquire into cause.

I have a 54-point gap between my verbal and nonverbal abilities, which is clearly in the high range, though this has likely been cut in half through my vision therapy program. Mine clearly shows up as Asperger's Syndrome, and I fully meet the criteria for Asperger's Syndrome even though I believe all I have is NLD.

I have (or had as a child) difficulties with social communication and prosody, difficulties forming relationships (still bad), sensory issues, and obsessive interests and rituals. That gives me a diagnosis of Asperger's Disorder even though I only have NLD.



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28 May 2013, 1:32 am

Tyri0n wrote:
I am going to say what's absolutely correct, but people are going to disagree with me.

NLD is typically diagnosed as Learning Disorder -NOS. NLD alone is not an autistic disorder and is quite distinct from one. In fact, most people with mild cases of NLD learn normal social skills just fine and easily pass for normal. You have tons of socially normal people who are bad drivers and get lost and are klutzy. These have NLD.

HOWEVER, severe NLD is more than just a learning disability. The criteria for Asperger's Syndrome or PDD-NOS (or Autistic Disorder under the DSM V) frequently capture the severe cases of NLD.

So is NLD itself an autistic disorder?

No. But NLD often shows up as one due to the fact that the ASD diagnostic criteria do not inquire into cause.

I have a 54-point gap between my verbal and nonverbal abilities, which is clearly in the high range, though this has likely been cut in half through my vision therapy program. Mine clearly shows up as Asperger's Syndrome, and I fully meet the criteria for Asperger's Syndrome even though I believe all I have is NLD.

I have (or had as a child) difficulties with social communication and prosody, difficulties forming relationships (still bad), sensory issues, and obsessive interests and rituals. That gives me a diagnosis of Asperger's Disorder even though I only have NLD.


I wish there was a "like" button for this post.


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28 May 2013, 2:50 am

RaspberryFrosty wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
I am going to say what's absolutely correct, but people are going to disagree with me.

NLD is typically diagnosed as Learning Disorder -NOS. NLD alone is not an autistic disorder and is quite distinct from one. In fact, most people with mild cases of NLD learn normal social skills just fine and easily pass for normal. You have tons of socially normal people who are bad drivers and get lost and are klutzy. These have NLD.

HOWEVER, severe NLD is more than just a learning disability. The criteria for Asperger's Syndrome or PDD-NOS (or Autistic Disorder under the DSM V) frequently capture the severe cases of NLD.

So is NLD itself an autistic disorder?

No. But NLD often shows up as one due to the fact that the ASD diagnostic criteria do not inquire into cause.

I have a 54-point gap between my verbal and nonverbal abilities, which is clearly in the high range, though this has likely been cut in half through my vision therapy program. Mine clearly shows up as Asperger's Syndrome, and I fully meet the criteria for Asperger's Syndrome even though I believe all I have is NLD.

I have (or had as a child) difficulties with social communication and prosody, difficulties forming relationships (still bad), sensory issues, and obsessive interests and rituals. That gives me a diagnosis of Asperger's Disorder even though I only have NLD.


I wish there was a "like" button for this post.


Thanks. I am a little tired of people talking about NLD and Asperger's as if they are two completely separate things. It's true that the majority of people with Asperger's also meet the criteria for NLD (80%, I believe). Most people with Asperger's have NLD. There is no data on how many people with NLD have Asperger's, but there appears to be a significant number who do not.



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28 May 2013, 3:21 am

Tyri0n wrote:
RaspberryFrosty wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
I am going to say what's absolutely correct, but people are going to disagree with me.

NLD is typically diagnosed as Learning Disorder -NOS. NLD alone is not an autistic disorder and is quite distinct from one. In fact, most people with mild cases of NLD learn normal social skills just fine and easily pass for normal. You have tons of socially normal people who are bad drivers and get lost and are klutzy. These have NLD.

HOWEVER, severe NLD is more than just a learning disability. The criteria for Asperger's Syndrome or PDD-NOS (or Autistic Disorder under the DSM V) frequently capture the severe cases of NLD.

So is NLD itself an autistic disorder?

No. But NLD often shows up as one due to the fact that the ASD diagnostic criteria do not inquire into cause.

I have a 54-point gap between my verbal and nonverbal abilities, which is clearly in the high range, though this has likely been cut in half through my vision therapy program. Mine clearly shows up as Asperger's Syndrome, and I fully meet the criteria for Asperger's Syndrome even though I believe all I have is NLD.

I have (or had as a child) difficulties with social communication and prosody, difficulties forming relationships (still bad), sensory issues, and obsessive interests and rituals. That gives me a diagnosis of Asperger's Disorder even though I only have NLD.


I wish there was a "like" button for this post.


Thanks. I am a little tired of people talking about NLD and Asperger's as if they are two completely separate things. It's true that the majority of people with Asperger's also meet the criteria for NLD (80%, I believe). Most people with Asperger's have NLD. There is no data on how many people with NLD have Asperger's, but there appears to be a significant number who do not.


My dad (after I told him about my NLD diagnosis) said that one of his friends, who happens to be a nurse, suspected that I had Asperger's and told him that. The psychologist didn't belive it when I brought it up and gave me the NLD diagnosis instead. I think they do overlap quite often but NLD is much harder to recognize as a disorder so Asperger's is given as a diagnosis instead of NLD.


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