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What is your IQ
0-49 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
50-101 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
100-109 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
110-119 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
120-129 19%  19%  [ 24 ]
130-139 25%  25%  [ 32 ]
140-149 23%  23%  [ 30 ]
150-159 10%  10%  [ 13 ]
160-169 5%  5%  [ 6 ]
170-179 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
180-189 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
190-199 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
200+ 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 128

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20 Jun 2009, 2:50 pm

IdiousMatt wrote:
aspi-rant wrote:
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Locations.aspx

ok... more on flynn effect... not from wiki... :wink:


All that data pertains to Western countries and Japan. How does it relate to other countries, specifically the ones whose populations are actually rising? Changing demographics is the reason for the world IQ lowering.


that's why the knowledge of the flynn effect is so usefull.... to keep average as in average as in 100 and center of the bell-curve...

re-calibration in other words.



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20 Jun 2009, 3:09 pm

Really, what would have been the problem with

<60
60-69
70-79
80-89
90-99?

And one person here CLAIMS to have a negative IQ! I don't know HOW that would work, especially since she can write OK, I guess speak OK, and can figure out this forum a bit. One would think that just THAT would indicate an IQ over perhaps 60.

As for me, I see no point in claiming here. I did respond to the poll though.

And WHY don't you guys add options like "I just want to see the poll results"? The forum option to do so has never worked for me, and apparently doesn't work for most.



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20 Jun 2009, 3:11 pm

Look at that! Almost (but not quite) a normal distribution with a mean of 120. This is sure not an unbiased survey.

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20 Jun 2009, 3:15 pm

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Did you know the average IQ of a human being has been steadily declining for the last 60 years? In the study I saw the average IQ for 1950 was placed at 91.5 and by 2050 it's projected to be 86.5.

Not, it's been increasing as documented by the Flynn effect, which is why the tests are periodically recalibrated downward.

Also, by definition average IQ should be 100. It's not measuring any absolute unit of intelligence, so the scale is arbitrarily placed.


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20 Jun 2009, 3:35 pm

A negative IQ is not possible. It makes as much sense to talk about a negative IQ as it would to talk about someone having a negative height/weight/age. Anything below about 40 they certainly wouldn't be able to write or even control their bodily functions.



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20 Jun 2009, 3:51 pm

MattShizzle wrote:
A negative IQ is not possible. It makes as much sense to talk about a negative IQ as it would to talk about someone having a negative height/weight/age. Anything below about 40 they certainly wouldn't be able to write or even control their bodily functions.


MY POINT EXACTLY! Maybe it is like the temperature conversions! You have to subtract 32 from the fahrenheit scale to convert to centigrade, because 32 is the freezing point and for centigrade, it is 0. ALSO, some tests subtract for wrong answers. I COULD see some "IQ" test maybe being adjusted in a similar fashion. Outside of that, you are certainly right, negative is not possible. After all, anything times 0 is zero, so you would figure that answering nothing would be recorded as 0.



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20 Jun 2009, 3:58 pm

Well, comparing to temperature scales, IQ would be more like Kelvin - where below zero simply is not possible (0° Kelvin is absolute Zero, around -451° F)



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20 Jun 2009, 4:11 pm

MattShizzle wrote:
A negative IQ is not possible. It makes as much sense to talk about a negative IQ as it would to talk about someone having a negative height/weight/age. Anything below about 40 they certainly wouldn't be able to write or even control their bodily functions.
Umm... No. You're really underestimating. With an IQ of 40, some people are actually living semi-independently (you know, like an apartment of your own with an assistant that comes in a few hours a day). Most can get about a 1st or 2nd grade education. And while most will need supervision, they'll be able to take care of their own basic needs and have simple jobs. We've spent a great deal of time assuming that anybody, with any degree of mental retardation, can't do.. well, can't do much of anything. Turns out most of that data came from institutions where kids grew up without much attention, without real education, without much opportunity to learn. We're going to have to do a complete overhaul of that, because frankly, IQ doesn't say as much about them as they think it does. You expect somebody not to be able to do things, and they'll fulfill your expectations.

I did a Google search, came up with a case history of moderate-to-severe MR, IQ 40:
http://www.lessonplanspage.com/SSLevels ... n912MO.htm
It's about three-quarters down the page. Quoted:
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Mary is a 19-year-old woman with moderate mental retardation. She is currently enrolled in the "Adaptive Living Program" at the local high school. She has Down Syndrome, and was identified as having this condition shortly after birth. Mary lives at home with her parents. She is now the "only child" as her older sister is currently away at college, and her older brother is in the Air Force. Mary's parents, both of whom are college graduates, plan to keep her at home until she completes her schooling (at age 21). They assume she will then move to a semi-independent living situation (SIL). If that does not work out, they will attempt to place her in a local group home.

Mary began attending special education classes at age three, though she and her family began receiving support services shortly after her birth. During kindergarten through sixth grade, she was integrated into a regular classroom for part of each school day. However, the major emphasis of her education has always been the development of self-help skills and functional academics. Mary is able to dress and groom herself and can perform various household chores. She can count, make change, and is able to do basic addition and subtraction. She reads and spells at about a second to third-grade level. Mary is currently receiving job training skills as part of the transition services provided by her school district.

Mary's learning skills have been evaluated a number of times over the years, with her IQ scores ranging from the mid 30s to the mid 40s. Her most recent evaluation resulted in a mental age of eight years and seven months, and an I.Q. score of 44. The AAMR Adaptive Behavior Scale was also administered, and resulted in an age-equivalent of nine years, two months.


BTW. I think the negative IQ thing was a joke, from the common quip that, "I took an IQ test. It came out negative." Plays on the difference between scored tests and positive/negative test results, sort of a self-deprecating humor thing.


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20 Jun 2009, 4:24 pm

MattShizzle wrote:
Well, comparing to temperature scales, IQ would be more like Kelvin - where below zero simply is not possible (0° Kelvin is absolute Zero, around -451° F)


Since nobody has really determined the total absense of heat, how can anyone say what the coldest temperature can be? Still, we KNOW it is below -459.7°F because that is the freezing point of helium! And that is merely at one pressure.



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20 Jun 2009, 4:35 pm

What they did was just define 0 K as the theoretical point at which all molecular motion stops. You can never reach that point because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, so it'll always be theoretical. It's like an asymptote on a graph--you'd need infinite paper to ever reach it.


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20 Jun 2009, 5:00 pm

Yes, heat is a measure of molecular motion, and you can't have less than a total absence obviously. a "zero" IQ would mean completely lacking in intelligence.



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20 Jun 2009, 5:22 pm

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Nor does IQ have any predictive value above 120.


What do you mean by predictive value in this situation? In Science, predictive power means the ability a theory/law has in predicting how something will turn out. If someone scores above 120 and they keep on scoring the same score again, it would seem reasonable that the IQ score predicts how future tests will turn out. Are you only referring to how successful one will be in life, or no predictive value for anything outside of repeatability? I'm just curious.



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20 Jun 2009, 5:41 pm

I think s/he probably means predictive value in terms of workplace success, college grades, degree earned, etc. Once you get past about 120, other factors seem to be more important, like how good your organization is, how good your connections are, or social and cultural factors.


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20 Jun 2009, 6:22 pm

There is no such thing as a so-called "Intelligence Quotient". Those numbers are arbitrary and meaningless as far as developmental potential and accomplishment goes.


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20 Jun 2009, 7:28 pm

Mine was 127 the last time I was tested.



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20 Jun 2009, 7:52 pm

MattShizzle wrote:
Yes, heat is a measure of molecular motion, and you can't have less than a total absence obviously. a "zero" IQ would mean completely lacking in intelligence.


That would be temperature.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature

Heat is energy in transit.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat#Definitions

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