Why do Neurotypicals consider Aspies Disabled?

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30 Aug 2009, 7:06 pm

I don't know... If folks tried to empathize more with autistic people and people with aspergers and adapt to them, would it be a disability then?
I sometimes wonder, why is it a big deal to not be social? I don't like being social. I'm a bit awkward. I stim and would rather read than go to parties, I just don't see what the fuss is.
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30 Aug 2009, 8:01 pm

Most NT's are uneducated about Asperger's. They hear that it is on the autism spectrum, so they immediatley think of stereotypical images such as Rainman. They simply don't know any better unless they have reason to such as a friend or family member with AS. It's no different then people believing that all people with MD are Jerry's kids in wheelchairs. They just don't know any better.

My son is an Aspie and my husband is probably as well. I really don't know whether I have AS or not. I know that I tend to avoid social situations and love to stay home whenever possible. I still may very well be NT, so I will say that NT's are on a spectrum too. Not all NT's love to socialize, and not all NT's are quick to judge someone who is different. Some NT's are much more rational than emotional, and nearly all of the psychological disorders that can affect Aspies (anxiety, OCD, depression, etc.) can affect NT's too. Whether or not AS is a disability has to do with the individual. If you face significant struggles throughout your daily life, then you are likely disabled and there is nothing wrong with that. No one should ever feel shame about having a disability.



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30 Aug 2009, 8:11 pm

Bozewani wrote:
I think the reason is simple...

They don't understand the way we think, behave and act. Therefore anyone who dosen't follow social conventions is weird.

Also, we don't follow their obsessions.

Anyway, for those who are NTs what do you think of aspies?

I've been called "weird" more times than I can count. NTs are mostly obsessed with relationships while we are more into ideas and things. We are more eccentric. I like to make up my own language and talk in it.



30 Aug 2009, 8:18 pm

We're socially awkward, we tend to offend people and don't mean to. We have difficulty reading between the lines and detecting sarcasm and jokes. Change is hard for us. Don't forget the sensory issues, that can effect you. It has kept some aspies from having jobs.

That's why.



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30 Aug 2009, 10:16 pm

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Well first, I think in the beginning what often happens is most of our first experiences with Asperger's, along with all the popular misconceptions, gives us a fairly strange, limited grasp on what it truly involves. Not to mention, there is the unfortunate but very real discomfort that we inherently feel when we encounter things out of the 'ordinary.'
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I just want to take the opportunity to remind that the NT/Aspie thing is essentially a two-way street. One of the defining characteristics of Asperger's is that inability to empathize, understand how other people are thinking and feeling, etc... which more or less means that to NTs like myself, the behavior of those with Asperger's is extremely difficult to 'understand' in a meaningful manner. We cannot really live in your shoes any more than you can in ours, and that's really what makes for all the frustration, anger, anxiety, etc in the first place.

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As somebody who has suffered from depression in the past and had a plethora of friends with ADHD, I think this issue becomes very, very interesting, and the major problem is that it's easy to fall into black/white thinking. Whether or not we call these things 'disorders to be fixed' or 'differences' is not necessarily mutually exclusive, and the search for 'treatments' doesn't necessarily conflict with either definition. I know ADHD people who just want to live with it, as well as those that go to great lengths to find treatment. I mean, imagine a hypothetical 'miracle drug' for asperger's. An aspie takes it, and for 8 hours, is more or less NT. I'm sure plenty of aspies would herald it as miracle treatment and take it religiously. I'm sure some might use it occasionally, some might try it and hate it, and some might refuse it entirely.

Now where does that put the net effect on the Asperger's community? I'm not really sure, but the point is that trying to draw these lines hard-and-fast just doesn't get us very far. Our definition of something being 'wrong' or 'malfunctioning' is fairly fluid and probably very different from person to person, including amongst those that have Asperger's. So, I dunno. I really don't. And I have to leave now, so I have to end this post. But I'll be checking it back to see where the discussion goes.


You have very good insight :-)


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30 Aug 2009, 10:38 pm

Many of us ARE disabled. Probably "most".

As in, 88% of us can't get a job.

"Disabled" is not a bad word. Don't be afraid of it.

Disability means, simply, that society is structured in a way that requires abilities we do not have. It is a neutral thing.

Better question: Why are some Aspies in such deep denial about autism being a disability at all?

And, Why are some neurotypicals so reticent to hire/educate/include/etc. disabled people?


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31 Aug 2009, 12:22 am

Well, for what it's worth, most NTs don't consider AS to be a disability.

It tends to be limited to professionals and parents of those with AS who consider it to be a "serious disability".

For most NTs, if the condition isn't physical (including sensory) or intellectual, it isn't a disability.



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31 Aug 2009, 1:49 am

That can be good or bad, depending on whether you get "You are disabled; therefore I will pity you and assume you are incapable of doing so much as blinking without assistance" or "You are not disabled; therefore you are obviously not trying hard enough or doing this deliberately; therefore you are a loser and/or a jerk".

The fact that most of us are disabled doesn't change just because many NTs assume that if they can't see it, it isn't a disability.

(BTW, I would consider an Aspie "nondisabled" if he does not need any outside assistance to do everything the average NT can do. Again, this would be mostly adults and those on the borderline of diagnosis.)


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31 Aug 2009, 2:22 am

My biggest disabiilty is me being a triangle trying to fit into a square society. It just isn't going to happen. The majority always rules, so the minority has to suffer with whatever the majority sets the "norm". IF all of the NT dissappeared off of this earth, and only those with Aspergers were left, there would probably still be some kind of pecking order, in which the highest functioning people would be at the top.



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31 Aug 2009, 3:49 am

There are NT parents of autistic children who adamantly reject any idea that Aspies are disabled. Unlike their children who are "really autistic".



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31 Aug 2009, 4:47 am

because of the weak electric feild that surrounds their brains, known as the stupid feild


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31 Aug 2009, 5:43 am

dalekaspie wrote:
because of the weak electric feild that surrounds their brains, known as the stupid feild


That's the stupidest thing I've seen, please tell me that's a joke. If not you are very millitant.


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31 Aug 2009, 5:51 am

Bozewani wrote:

Also, we don't follow their obsessions.


we don't follow theirs either.

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31 Aug 2009, 9:46 am

You raise an interesting thought. What if everyone in the world was an aspie? For all of the grief NT's are given on this foum (some of it deserved) what kind of world would we have if everyone had AS? The rigidity, the sensory issues, the black/white right/wrong kind of mindset? I can hardly wrap my mind around what it would be like.

Would it be an orderly, structured, peaceful kind of world or would it be one filled with chaos and angst because every aspie had a different idea of what "right" or "correct" was? "No, no no you're doing it all wrong!! ! That's not how you screw in a lightbulb!! !" : )

I dunno. Discuss amongst yourselves.




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IF all of the NT dissappeared off of this earth, and only those with Aspergers were left, there would probably still be some kind of pecking order, in which the highest functioning people would be at the top.



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31 Aug 2009, 10:02 am

Aspies do incorporate some potentially disabling traits. For instance - when my head becomes so overwhelmed that I find it impossible to do anything of any value during the day... that can be disabling.

Still - I don't like how it's classified as a disability, for that word is very antagonizing to us.

I would prefer "potentially troublesome, but not necessarily" but that would be quite a mouthful. :P

People forget - there are countless qualities in aspies that are to be taken into account... and many things we can do that non aspies often can't do, so it works both ways, even if it feels like we're being oppressed at times.


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31 Aug 2009, 12:29 pm

I don't think AS as a whole is a disability, but certain traits can be very disabling. I am definitely disabled by my sensory issues and lack of social understanding. I really don't understand why so many aspies have a problem with the idea that AS can be disabling, because it clearly can. Actually, in one definition of the word "disablility" I've seen, technically everyone has one.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disability

"anything that disables or puts one at a disadvantage"

Who doesn't have traits that put them at a disadvantage?