Pre-Diagnosis types: Do people you grew up with ..?

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07 Sep 2009, 5:36 pm

I sometimes think it would be best if Aspies and Auties in each area buy real estate next to each other and form our own societies since we don't fit in NT society. There would definitely be strengh in numbers and each others obsessions could help out the other's deficiencies.


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07 Sep 2009, 6:03 pm

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My Dad knew, but didn't tell me, most of my life. When I told my brother, it turned out that my Dad had told him before me, because his response was, "yeah, I know."

However, having talked to him since, he's said that he meant he knew I'd been diagnosed, but he didn't agree with it. He thinks that I'm just a bit of a weird person looking for an explanation as to why I don't fit in. He says I'm too intelligent and high functioning to be aspie, and that I'm just clutching at straws, because I've wasted my education and intellect. He thinks that what happened was I went to university, spent four years around odd balls, and didn't get into the real world. After university I had a child, and spent the last decade plus looking after my family. He thinks that now my son is growing up I've realised that I've wasted most of my life, and I'm scared to face up to the fact that it's my fault.

I think after that response, I'm not going to tell anyone ever again. I know he's not right, but it's the utter contempt for my experience that gets me. This is a guy I grew up with. He remembers what my childhood was like, how unhappy I was. He remembers all the jokes about me being Spock or a robot, all the times I didn't get what the other kids were on about, and got beaten up as a result. He knows all that... and he says it didn't happen for a reason, or only because I "chose" to be odd.

This has really depressed me.


Oh, man. I'm so sorry. It must suck to have your own father treat you like that.

Does he honestly think HE knows better than a DIAGNOSTICIAN?


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07 Sep 2009, 7:33 pm

mgran wrote:
To be honest, I think my brother is a bit ashamed that there's something "wrong" with his sister.

Entirely possible of course. However have you considered that it might not be you he is ashamed of?
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[...] the first person to jeer at me in a group. He'd say to me later it was my fault, because I was such a "weirdo", or "nerd", or whatever else. That I should pull myself together and snap out of it.

If you had done this to someone and later found there was no way they could snap out of it and in effect you had teased your own sibling just for being characterized by disability, might you not feel rather ashamed of yourself and prefer to kid yourself into thinking otherwise?

Is it possible that your brother’s reaction is a defensive one whose purpose is to prevent him from having to face up to conduct and cruelties he is not comfortable admitting to himself?



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07 Sep 2009, 8:12 pm

mgran wrote:
My Dad knew, but didn't tell me, most of my life. When I told my brother, it turned out that my Dad had told him before me, because his response was, "yeah, I know."

However, having talked to him since, he's said that he meant he knew I'd been diagnosed, but he didn't agree with it. He thinks that I'm just a bit of a weird person looking for an explanation as to why I don't fit in. He says I'm too intelligent and high functioning to be aspie, and that I'm just clutching at straws, because I've wasted my education and intellect. He thinks that what happened was I went to university, spent four years around odd balls, and didn't get into the real world. After university I had a child, and spent the last decade plus looking after my family. He thinks that now my son is growing up I've realised that I've wasted most of my life, and I'm scared to face up to the fact that it's my fault.

I think after that response, I'm not going to tell anyone ever again. I know he's not right, but it's the utter contempt for my experience that gets me. This is a guy I grew up with. He remembers what my childhood was like, how unhappy I was. He remembers all the jokes about me being Spock or a robot, all the times I didn't get what the other kids were on about, and got beaten up as a result. He knows all that... and he says it didn't happen for a reason, or only because I "chose" to be odd.

This has really depressed me.


I am so sorry he thinks raising your beloved son was a 'waste'. This s so sad, no wonder you are distressed by your family's opinions.


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07 Sep 2009, 8:19 pm

I told one person, who was friend at university and who has an AS son. She was perfectly understanding and, I believe, may have had already guessed my autism.

Apart from her, I have yet to tell anyone from my youth. If I did, perhaps they might suddenly go 'Ohhhhh so that's what was "right"' with you.



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07 Sep 2009, 8:46 pm

Actually, the possibility that I may have AS was first put to me by a few family friends and work colleagues (I don't attend many work or family functions because I can't stand noise and crowds and I can't sustain a topic-less conversation for very long etc).

I am trying to decide whether at the age of 29, it is worth the time and expense obtaining a formal diagnosis.



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08 Sep 2009, 7:45 am

I've had no contact with those I grew up with.

I've not told family because I'm concerned about how they would regard me afterward.

They might reject my declaration and deny my condition.

They might start treating me like a "special needs" person even though I can care for myself.

It's a hard choice, because a lot of intimacy issues between myself and my family would be resolved if they understood why I'm so distant.



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08 Sep 2009, 8:34 am

tellyawhat wrote:
I think most high functioning autistics will get a dismissive response attributing this to more weirdness.

Yup. I tried telling a few old high school friends that I suspected that I had it, and they absolutely did not believe me. One went on to describe someone with AS that she knew (who apparently had a stereotypical profile) and said I was nothing like that.

Who knows? They may be right for all I know. Maybe I was just weird for no reason.


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08 Sep 2009, 8:41 am

I told a few of my friends, and got a dismissive response quite quickly. They just said "oh, you don't have that", or "nothing is wrong with you", "you just have social anxiety is all", etc. They would come up with other things that didn't sound so "unhelpable" if that makes sense.


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08 Sep 2009, 8:43 am

fiddlerpianist wrote:
tellyawhat wrote:
I think most high functioning autistics will get a dismissive response attributing this to more weirdness.

Yup. I tried telling a few old high school friends that I suspected that I had it, and they absolutely did not believe me. One went on to describe someone with AS that she knew (who apparently had a stereotypical profile) and said I was nothing like that.

Who knows? They may be right for all I know. Maybe I was just weird for no reason.


I think it also matters WHO you tell. I was not without friends in school (I had one or two).

I suspect those who knew me and considered me a friend would be more accepting of my announcement than someone who couldn't care less would.

When I told my college roommate about AS (we stay in tough), he chucked and said that it explained a lot of things.



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08 Sep 2009, 8:57 am

fiddlerpianist: No two Aspies are alike, and no two present their AS in excactly the same way.



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08 Sep 2009, 9:34 am

I told one of my cousins a few months ago and she stopped talking to me. It's only made me laugh, I mean what kind of a garbage family I have that they have such a reaction to a hereditary condition - it's not like I chose it, and I inherited it from HER grandmother, whom she always claimed to love so much.

I wish there were competitions for having the worst family, I'd win a lot of money.


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08 Sep 2009, 10:31 am

Skilpadde wrote:
fiddlerpianist: No two Aspies are alike, and no two present their AS in excactly the same way.

I don't get depressed, I no longer have sensory issues, my social anxiety is small, I'm very confident in myself, I don't have "Aspie eyes," and people actually seem to be attracted to me rather than repelled. Can I chalk that up simply to different presentation?

When does one stop having AS traits which present differently and start being unusually neurotypical? No one really knows. Don't they believe that AS is simply an extreme version of normal traits? Those who say that AS is an "all or nothing" proposition do not know what it feels like to be "in the middle."


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09 Sep 2009, 12:15 am

i don't really maintain enough contact with the people i grew up with (at school and in my former neighborhood) to warrant going through the trouble of contacting them just to let them know.

one sister accepted the diagnosis (i was diagnosed earlier this summer) at face value and she recognized that it made sense. the other sister freaked out when she heard the word "autism" but subsequently calmed down and has also seemingly accepted it now. my brother-in-law had no issue with it.

as for friends: one best friend who is a psychology major and had actually studied AS said that he began to suspect some time ago that i might have it. the other best friend took it strangely. he didn't seem interested at all except in my concurrent dyscalculia diagnosis which he refused to accept the validity of.

strangely some people who barely know me, like friends of my sister, take issue with the diagnosis. they're "up in arms" about me getting a second diagnosis. they don't seem to realize that a second diagnosis is unnecessary if you fully agree with the first.


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09 Sep 2009, 1:19 am

I've told the following people in my life:

A: the three other members of my band
B: The parents of 3 students who take piano (two of the children have ADHD and one is autistic) and an adult student with ADHD
C: My siblings (parents both dead)

I get the best response from the students (or their parents) who see me as in sympathy with their issues; the band begrudgingly modifies the format of rehearsals to stop wasting 30 minutes of each 2.5 hour rehearsal on smalltalk and schmoozing (they feel ashamed to admit they prefer the social games thing to actually learning songs, but of course this truth is MY fault!)

My family, well... one of my nieces is a psych tech so she insists I get the real, costly diagnosis, even though when I took the online tests and saw the posts here on WP I just KNEW it described me and it was like a weight was lifted. They don't want to think it could happen in THEIR family, even though my dead nephew used to bang his head on the wall and could not learn to pronounce R's until about 8 years of age - his brother is in MAJOR denial - he's a he-man "bring yourself up with your bootstraps" kind of person.

As I see it we on the spectrum are actually the strong ones - the NT's couldn't take this "fate" we share.



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09 Sep 2009, 1:47 am

fiddlerpianist wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
fiddlerpianist: No two Aspies are alike, and no two present their AS in excactly the same way.

I don't get depressed, I no longer have sensory issues, my social anxiety is small, I'm very confident in myself, I don't have "Aspie eyes," and people actually seem to be attracted to me rather than repelled. Can I chalk that up simply to different presentation?

When does one stop having AS traits which present differently and start being unusually neurotypical? No one really knows. Don't they believe that AS is simply an extreme version of normal traits? Those who say that AS is an "all or nothing" proposition do not know what it feels like to be "in the middle."


Don't forget that no one knows what goes on in your head as well as you do. If you still have other AS traits you may be PDD-NOS or you may be like David Byrne who claims to have "grown out of it."

If you are like me, the AS traits are not usually noticeable. Over the years I have learned to "pass" for NT, except that I am overqualified for the jobs I have taken to earn a living. If I am put in a situation that is overwhelming, the traits are more obvious. I stim in private (and covertly when in public) and pursue my special interests in private. So almost any observers would say that they don't see why I would "think" I am on the spectrum. My stepson said as much, even though he said that he studied up on AS. He is like most, of the mind set of Black and White, instead of shades of gray. Even my wife (who I think is on the spectrum) is unconvinced. If you have spent so many years thinking of yourself in one way, it is hard to change gears later.

Did you have more severe traits when you were younger? I sure did.


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