My Aspie son has threatened to kill me.

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08 Sep 2009, 10:31 am

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I'd only be concerned if he actually TRIES to kill you. I mean, all kids wish their parents were dead at some point in time. Usually that sort of thing is "all talk and no walk". Keep an eye on him. Like others said, try counseling/therapy.


I'm sure she will be thinking of your advise when he son is lunging at her with a butcher knife because she asked him to pick up his socks.

Pekkla, you need to pick up the phone today & get some help. More help than we can give you here. Yes, it may be nothing. But now is the time to nip it in the bud. His behavior is antisocial, it makes you (and quite frankly, most of us) uncomfortable, and it can only lead to bad things if ignored. Call a local family counseler today please.

I wish you only the best. It's never easy being the parent of a teenager.


councling wont work, because it is afirming his fearshe thinks his mother is agnaist.. he will see this as proof

im preaty much certain he wont killl pekkla.. but i think if this carries on he might harm himself

he needs the presure to lesseen and for people to back off


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08 Sep 2009, 10:46 am

As far as I can tell his mother is only asking for the barest of civility & order in her house, which she is not only entitled to, she would be a poor parent if she didn't ask for it.

Her son has no right to impose his problems on the rest of the house. Yes adjustments and accomodations can and should be made (by his mother), but adjustments need to be made on his side as well. He is not the king. He is an unemployed 13 year old living in his moms house. Again, he needs to get his act togther. Do you think the real world/living on his own will be easier than living with his mom? Holding a job? Dealing with roomates and neighbors?

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councling wont work, because it is afirming his fearshe thinks his mother is agnaist.. he will see this as proof

im preaty much certain he wont killl pekkla.. but i think if this carries on he might harm himself

he needs the presure to lesseen and for people to back off



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08 Sep 2009, 10:55 am

This is one of the things that scares me about the possibility of having kids of my own. If I don't have any, it's just me and I don't have to worry about this.

Perhaps your son has been testing at the edges, swearing or minor misbehaving, and you didn't discipline him, so this is an escalation of that and he doesn't think it's a big deal? Someone I know was very disrespectful of her mother, and I'm not sure what, if anything the mother did about it, and the situation ended up with the kid moving out, dropping out of high school, and getting pregnant.

I guess I really don't have a good answer. Being a parent is hard, even from a secondhand point of view.


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08 Sep 2009, 10:56 am

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As far as I can tell his mother is only asking for the barest of civility & order in her house, which she is not only entitled to, she would be a poor parent if she didn't ask for it.

Her son has no right to impose his problems on the rest of the house. Yes adjustments and accomodations can and should be made (by his mother), but adjustments need to be made on his side as well. He is not the king. He is an unemployed 13 year old living in his moms house. Again, he needs to get his act togther. Do you think the real world/living on his own will be easier than living with his mom? Holding a job? Dealing with roomates and neighbors?

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councling wont work, because it is afirming his fearshe thinks his mother is agnaist.. he will see this as proof

im preaty much certain he wont killl pekkla.. but i think if this carries on he might harm himself

he needs the presure to lesseen and for people to back off


at 13 i was that kid i speak from my knolegde


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08 Sep 2009, 11:06 am

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I'd only be concerned if he actually TRIES to kill you. I mean, all kids wish their parents were dead at some point in time. Usually that sort of thing is "all talk and no walk". Keep an eye on him. Like others said, try counseling/therapy.


I'm sure she will be thinking of your advise when he son is lunging at her with a butcher knife because she asked him to pick up his socks.
Never thought of that....Pekkla better lock up all potential weapons in her home. Anyways, I highly doubt anything will happen.


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08 Sep 2009, 11:07 am

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"at 13 i was that kid i speak from my knolegde"

So because he's AS your big solution is to let the kid do whatever he wants & his mother & siblings should just live in fear?

No offence, but your age is showing. He can do whatever he likes (within the laws of society) when he has job & his own place. Till then he's got to stop acting like a jerk.



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08 Sep 2009, 11:15 am

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councling wont work, because it is afirming his fearshe thinks his mother is agnaist.. he will see this as proof

im preaty much certain he wont killl pekkla.. but i think if this carries on he might harm himself

he needs the presure to lesseen and for people to back off


did you read any of this?


she needs to find what is causing this pressure,

i KNOW this brcuase as i said i havr been through the same.. and counuling gave me nightmares no jioke


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08 Sep 2009, 11:44 am

The boy needs help, but run-of-the mill Neurotypical-based counselling/therapy WILL NOT WORK and will probably only make things worse. You must find a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist who is familiar with AS and how to deal with it.



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08 Sep 2009, 11:56 am

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The boy needs help, but run-of-the mill Neurotypical-based counselling/therapy WILL NOT WORK and will probably only make things worse. You must find a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist who is familiar with AS and how to deal with it.


I agree.



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08 Sep 2009, 11:58 am

I'm seeing two types of responses here; There are the ones that sympathize with him, thinking that he's depressed and miserable and has no outlet, then there are the ones that say that he's a dangerous criminal who actually means to kill you. I don't think there's any way for anyone on this forum to know which one it is.
I think the frustration, feeling constantly criticized, and not being able to express his level of misery sounds entirely plausible.. I can certainly relate to it, looking back on that age. I certainly can't say for sure that that's the case here, though.
Everyone here keeps acting totally sure they know what's going on in his head, based on themselves or someone in their past. He's not any of us, or any of the people anybody here has known-- he's a different person, he's your son. So think about what everyone here said, but don't assume that because someone here said similar things at that age and didn't mean them, that it makes it certain that HE doesn't, but also don't assume that just because someone knew someone who tried to kill their parents, that he will.

Is there anybody that he trusts and feels able to talk to at all? That would be your best bet on figuring out what's going on and keeping both him and yourself safe. :? He needs somebody to be able to talk to where he doesn't feel like he's going to be attacked, but also doesn't feel like he has the right to attack. (I'm referring mainly to verbal attack when I say that..)



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08 Sep 2009, 11:59 am

scorpileo wrote:
scorpileo wrote:
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councling wont work, because it is afirming his fearshe thinks his mother is agnaist.. he will see this as proof

im preaty much certain he wont killl pekkla.. but i think if this carries on he might harm himself

he needs the presure to lesseen and for people to back off


did you read any of this?


she needs to find what is causing this pressure,

i KNOW this brcuase as i said i havr been through the same.. and counuling gave me nightmares no jioke


I read what you wrote, but obviously the boy is not communicating with his mom what the problem is. There is a wall that she cannot breach. A third party needs to be brought in to try & bridge the gap.

I'm sorry you had a crappy exprience w/a therapist but many others have been helped.



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08 Sep 2009, 12:05 pm

What the hell is wrong with people today? For crying out loud, talk to the boy and ask what the problem is, I'll bet you anything that it's school-related. If he don't talk, talk to his teachers or friends if he has any. After school-activity, everything. Find out what it is and start dealing with it. And tell him that saying things like that is not tolerated.

Why is people so incapable of talking to their kids?

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Pekkla better lock up all potential weapons in her home.

Oh yes, start with anything sharp and all chemicals. Don't forgett the furniture and lamps, they can be used as clubs. And pillows, never leave those in the open, or plastic bags. And when she has locked everything she owns inside a safe (including the house, we wouldn't want that kid to try and drop things at her from the roof when she comes out), and paranoia is peaking, then mayby it's time to talk to him in person? Gee... do you people do anything yourselves anymore or do you let the police take care of everything?


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08 Sep 2009, 12:08 pm

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Well, you did say that you already thought he needed help because his behaviour has changed recently. Go that way, if agitation and anger as well as other problems have become so pronounced that they concern you.

Just wanting to say that a death-threat isn't necessarily meant nor understood in all its consequences by an autistic person. I don't think you should be scared of being killed, especially because the way he says it seems all wrong to you, that's why I write this. Even autistic people can mean it, of course, but children and teens usually don't to their parents, autistic or not.

A death-threat can be a very simple way in venting frustration and anger and make an emotional impression on another person. An autistic person even if they're very intelligent and sweet doesn't necessarily understand the implications of 'I want to kill you' and how inappropriate and painful it is for a person. Some do, of course and know perfectly well that it's apparently one of the worst thing to say next to 'I hate you'.

An autistic person who doesn't intuitively understand the grave social and emotional effect this sentence usually has on a person might choose to say this if the ability to create a similar heavy effect (insults, explanations) on a person is lost on them in this or other situations. To make them so shocked and to touch them emotionally when other words (due to lack of non-verbal context for example) don't seem to evoke an emotional, true response in that person that is strong enough to equate to the feelings of the person who said the words.

Then of course, normal people do this too. If the ability to cope with their emotional state is lacking then they say things like these too. Often, they still shy away from telling others that they wish they were dead or that they want to kill them, because they understand well the effect of fear, emotional pain, despair that these sentences have on other people.

This is not saying that is why your son does it. There are many more reasons to say it while not meaning that, such as utter despair, to want to be in control, a loss of normal control/impulsivity and so on. I just wanted to point out the possibility that it might not be meant literally because you are very concerned and said you're scared.



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08 Sep 2009, 12:37 pm

As was said before, you've probably got 1 of two things going on:

1. Your son is becoming a psychotic killer who will attack you based on a whim. This typically is dealt with by large amounts of anti-psychotics, and a trip to the insane asylum.

2. Your son is incredibly stressed out, and is lashing out at anybody for anything because he has no other way to vent his frustrations.

My guess is that #2 is probably what is going on. As you have said before in previous posts, your son is having a huge amount of anxiety at school, and even left a hole in the wall because of it. He is being picked on, ridiculed, and is probably miserable. I can't speak for your son, but I know that my childhood was this way. I was stressed out, depressed, even considered suicide a few times because I was constantly harassed by my peers, teachers, and my mother. I also wanted several people dead. I wasn't a violent person, and never made any attempt to attack them, I just wanted them gone so that they would stop attacking me. Of course I didnt say this out loud because I knew I would get beaten for saying it. But it doesnt mean that I didnt think it.

What you might want to do is sit down with your son and have a talk about what is actually going on. Perhaps say something like, "You seem very stressed out lately, and whenever I ask you to do something, you respond with anger. I dont think that this situation is helping either you or me. I dont want you to be stressed out, and I dont like to be threatened. Perhaps we could talk about this and figure out why you are so stressed out, and how to help solve the problem. That way you can enjoy life more, and we can stop being at odds with each other."



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08 Sep 2009, 12:58 pm

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Over the past week my 13 year old aspie son has threatened to kill me several times. Usually he says it after I try to finish telling him something. First he tells me to shut up. Like tonight, he walked into the kitchen to wash his hands, and as usual, refuses to dry them. I say to him that he needs to dry them because he is leaving a puddle of water on the floor. I do not say it in an angry way because I know that I would just be provoking him. But then he says to "shut up", followed by "I'd like to kill you." I am getting really scared. He isn't even screaming the threat.

What to do? I know he needs some help. He seems angrier and more agitated than in the past. He is also having trouble sleeping. Could he also be bipolar? I just don't want social workers in our house everyday or someone to remove him from the house.

I wouldn't worry about the small things, like drying hands. Is it really that important? Most kids don't even want to take the time to wash their hands, let alone dry them. If it's a petty matter and not very important don't mention it. If you see a puddle get a paper towel and mop it up. I know it sounds like a lot of effort, but sometimes you just have to do stuff like this. Try to find the positives and comment on those from time to time.
I don't think he really means he wants to kill you but it does sound like he is upset over something and pointing out positive things he does for others and himself and being encouraging could help. Whenever he aggravates you, think of a nice thing he did or does and dwell on that.



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08 Sep 2009, 1:08 pm

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What to do? I know he needs some help. He seems angrier and more agitated than in the past. He is also having trouble sleeping. Could he also be bipolar? I just don't want social workers in our house everyday or someone to remove him from the house.


I'm not sure if you do this-but given my experience with my mother (and black parents in general....). Stop threatening your son with death or hitting him, etc. I haven't forgetten the s**t my mom did to me and and her BS (e.g. her bitching when I gave her a 'C' when her and her co-workers asked me to grade her. That's what they get for asking a question-don't get agitated and act indignant when I don't give a s**t about your social confirmation ritual-especially even though my mood towards her (at the time of the question) was okay-I still remembered she did some annoying/bs crap. And If I remembered the lot of it then...DOHOHONO).

Sorry if this is 'offensive' as you probably aren't that part of parent who wonders why their child hasn't forgotten the abuse they received-etc. This is an example and a reminder for those who may have done that.


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