Are you dishonest?

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matt
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31 Oct 2009, 5:43 pm

I feel dishonest when I act in ways that I've learned that seem unnatural to me, like when I do things that I have been told are socially appropriate but which seem so strange to me then I am misrepresenting myself.

But I try to not say things that are untrue.

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31 Oct 2009, 10:22 pm

Being honest has actually gotten me into trouble more than once.

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31 Oct 2009, 10:32 pm

That would be a no.

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31 Oct 2009, 10:40 pm

As of this writing there are 23 people who claim to be honest. :roll:

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31 Oct 2009, 10:45 pm

Would a dishonest person really answer this poll honestly?

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31 Oct 2009, 10:48 pm

mitharatowen wrote:

Would a dishonest person really answer this poll honestly?

Of course not- which is my point (more-or-less); there are no exclusively honest people in the world.

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31 Oct 2009, 10:56 pm

WritersBlock wrote:

... there are no exclusively honest people in the world.

You don't know enough people.

I'd rather die than lie.

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31 Oct 2009, 10:59 pm

Danielismyname wrote:

WritersBlock wrote:

... there are no exclusively honest people in the world.

You don't know enough people.

I'd rather die than lie.

I know more than enough people to have concluded that honest is as much a fable as unicorns or faeries.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:02 pm

I am very dishonest. It feels more natural than being truthful, even when it doesn't really serve a purpose.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:08 pm

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I know more than enough people to have concluded that honest is as much a fable as unicorns or faeries.

Well then, you don't know me, so your view doesn't have all of the variables. I'm a person, I exist, and I've never told a lie.

You can ask me anything, and I'll tell you the truth, as I don't know any other way.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:16 pm

Danielismyname wrote:

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I know more than enough people to have concluded that honest is as much a fable as unicorns or faeries.

It would be impossible to know each person in the world, their life, history and spirit to know each "variable"... don't be childish.
I know enough to form a belief and I owe no one an explanation nor do I need to persue additional inspiration in my conclusion.
You say you've never lied. I simply do not believe that. It's not a judgement, just an opinion.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:18 pm

WritersBlock wrote:

Danielismyname wrote:

WritersBlock wrote:

... there are no exclusively honest people in the world.

You don't know enough people.

I'd rather die than lie.

I know more than enough people to have concluded that honest is as much a fable as unicorns or faeries.

Unicorns and faeries aren't real? I'm shattered.

I feel better about being honest instead of lying. I am capable of lying and only do lie when I need to weasel myself out of something. Even when I lie I word what I say say vaguely that if you knew I was lying you wouldn't even know. I'd give half a story, being truthful but leaving out a whole chunk. So I guess in that respect I am dishonest.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:39 pm

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It would be impossible to know each person in the world, their life, history and spirit to know each "variable"... don't be childish. I know enough to form a belief and I owe no one an explanation nor do I need to persue additional inspiration in my conclusion. You say you've never lied. I simply do not believe that. It's not a judgement, just an opinion.

Hence, you cannot form a valid conclusion with your sample size. Sure, you can form an opinion, you can "believe" in something (belief is an emotion, rather than a tangible process), but this doesn't make it right, and I can say it's wrong with my opinion (which is backed up with tangible evidence, albeit anecdotal). I said nothing childish, other than providing my point.

I know of several other individuals with an ASD who don't lie (as do professionals throughout the literature); it's as if the process of deception didn't develop in these people (deception is a social ability after all).

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31 Oct 2009, 11:44 pm

Danielismyname wrote:

Screw you. My conclusion is every bit as valid and "right" as yours is for you. You are in no position to tell me what belief I hold is right or wrong. And nothing you say is "backed up" by squat.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:47 pm

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Screw you. My conclusion is every bit as valid and "right" as yours is for you. You are in no position to tell me what belief I hold is right or wrong. And nothing you say is "backed up" by squat.

Get off your pedestal. You're acting as a immature child who cannot unblock their ears and listen to anything other than their own opinion. You seek to judge others knowing nothing of them? Do as you wish, but do not insult someone I love, especially when that person is being reasonable and speaking of himself.

And yes, to answer the poll, I can be dishonest. I learned it got me out of uncomfortable social situations. I am not dishonest with those I care for, because I would rather they know me than a lie.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:49 pm

WritersBlock wrote:

My conclusion is every bit as valid and "right" as yours is for you. You are in no position to tell me what belief I hold is right or wrong. And nothing you say is "backed up" by squat.

No, it's not, as I can provide evidence to the contrary (which is myself, but I can provide quotes from professionals if you'd like). I can, if I have evidence which proves a belief is wrong; see, "'... honest to a fault.'" by Professor Attwood.

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