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19 Nov 2009, 4:31 pm

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What I don't agree with is being disruptive. It would only get you asked to leave and reinforce the group leaders sense of superiority that she is better than "You (Us - cause I'm an Aspie) People". I would suggest that you disagree politely and have your facts ready to back up anything you disagree about.


I guess it depends on your definition of disruptive. Their definition of disruptive is if I say anything at all that goes against what they are saying, so being disruptive is unfortunately inevitable. But we intend to be intelligent about it. We're not going to make it easy for them to just label us and dismiss us. But neither are we going to let them have a free ride behaving like that. You had to be there to really believe it. We'll be polite... but that's a lot more courtesy than they were prepared to extend to us, trust me.



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19 Nov 2009, 4:39 pm

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all i could think of was, if it were me, i probably would have got up and left. i wouldn't tolerate it. then i would notify whoever and let them know what occurred. then, if possibly go somewhere else.

but... that would be the idea. knowing how hard it is to find any group, it was probably difficult. so few, or very far to travel to. at least by me - an hour away. there supposed to something closer - but they don't "do" anything.

hang in there.


It certainly ran through my mind to get up and leave, but the rebel inside me decided to sit it out and try and get through to these two people. I passionately believe in standing up for myself, and if these people are paid to provide ME a service, they can damn well learn to do it properly 8) But sure, I know what you're saying, and I think anyone would be well within their rights to just walk away.

What you say about making a complaint would be good if there were someone to complain to, but in my area unfortunately this woman is the local "guru" on AS - she even trains local police officers how to deal with "us people" (God help us all) My previous attempts to complain against health workers have invariably resulted in me being branded "difficult".

So what can we do? Best to try and organise amongst ourselves, that's what I reckon. I'm sure it can be done.



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19 Nov 2009, 7:52 pm

I kind of envy you, sounds like you're going to have fun messing with that group. XD; Good luck with your disruption plans.


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19 Nov 2009, 8:32 pm

Wow, that's pathetic.


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19 Nov 2009, 9:01 pm

wow that sounds really awful, i wouldn't go back either!

the groups i supervise/attend are lead by NTs for the most part, but the direction the group takes is up to the members. the basic function of our groups was designed by asking people specifically what they wanted out of a support group. seems to go well.



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19 Nov 2009, 9:19 pm

The best AS group I ever went to was run by AS people. Perhaps you could just start with a small handful of people, meeting in a quiet cafe or some other space... I dont suggest you be disruptive in the other group. What would be a better approach is to just tell people after the group that you are starting your own group, and give them some flyers. Weirdly some people may choose to stay in this womans group but if other people are of like mind they will come join your group of their own accord.


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19 Nov 2009, 10:22 pm

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As for the term "you people" I live in the Deep South and it's an offensive but common thing to hear here. It's mainly used for minorities, and mainly in a sentence something like "You people need to learn to...". It's the inverse to "credit to your race". Grrrr, I dislike racists. I just say "yall" when I mean any group of people lol.

Yea, I understand that that's the connotation.. but it just seems so incredibly bizarre to me that it's okay to say "you guys" even if it's a mixed group or a group of girls, but "you people" is bad and offensive and racist. 8O



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19 Nov 2009, 10:33 pm

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PaganMom wrote:
Yea, I understand that that's the connotation.. but it just seems so incredibly bizarre to me that it's okay to say "you guys" even if it's a mixed group or a group of girls, but "you people" is bad and offensive and racist. 8O


"Guys" is a lot more informal than "people". It implies that the speaker includes himself/herself as part of the group rather than as an outside figure.