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26 Dec 2009, 2:17 pm

I'm not certain I fit completely on the spectrum, but I do know I'm not NT, I have no question of that. I am much happier once I decided to stop worrying about how I fit in with the rest of the world in regards to "success" and social ease. From just my history of clinical depression alone, I know if I try to do more than I'm able then I'll start to break down. To the larger population this looks like laziness, because I don't have a big FRAGILE stamped on my forehead. The thing about trying to be NT is; if you're essentially not NT, you cannot maintain the facade for very long. As far as success goes, I'll be happy if I can raise a son who's happy in his own skin. I think that has real value.

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26 Dec 2009, 9:22 pm

Aimless, is that a picture of your son? He's beautiful. He has amazing eyes.



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26 Dec 2009, 9:29 pm

Yes, that's my son, Dylan. I think he's beautiful too. :)


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26 Dec 2009, 10:42 pm

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No amount of funnel cakes would really be worth being that stupid. Smile


What about french fries with vinegar? :lol:



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27 Dec 2009, 9:27 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
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AS is autism.

I don't quite agree there, people with autism, and I mean classic autism, doesn't know how to pick up a fork, I've even encountered aspies who "Grow out of" the diagnosis and almost become 100%, the only issue I have left is social skills, but because of my narcissism, I will never truly be social, but I've shown symptoms of outgrowing for about a year now, I can laugh like an NT in social situations, I bash celebrities and critizise them for imperfect finishes, but I may still have need for AS so I can make excuses and make a shield around myself to confuse people.

your paragraph sounds quite confused to me. autism is a syndrome that can range from debilitating severity, to simply a "mild touch" of autism.

considering there is no "blood test " (as it were ) for autism, i would consider people who "grow out of it", misdiagnosed. it can never be a scientifically proven fact (yet) that anyone has autism, so therefore misdiagnoses can occur given the mindset of a harried psychologist toward a person who is simply socially awkward at some point of their life.


there is much more than is contained within your dreams of what it is like to be autistic....in the reality of autism.

as to not being truly social due to narcissism:
i have narcissistic tendencies, but i do not have a narcissistic personality.
i consider that people in my way are obstacles, and i would gladly use a crowbar to move them out of my path.
people in front of me in a queue, i consider with ill will.
i wonder how deserving they are to be served before me. i can not see why they are ahead of me in a queue. what did i do wrong to be standing so far back in a queue of animated meat parcels.

however, because i am exceptionally arrogant(bordering on narcissism), i care not one iota for anyone else's appraisal of me.
i will continue to be with inevitability. like if 100 people insulted the niagra falls, it would still spill forth unaffected.

if you like yourself so much, then why care what others think?
i value my ideas foremost, and i consider other peoples input only if i am not tired or otherwise engaged (which is rarely).

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
3. NT's have a different brain than aspies.

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every living consciousness has a different brain.



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The NT brain is slightly different than an aspie brain, they see the world in colors, not black & white like most aspies do.

poppycock. but yes i guess that an autistic brain is different than a non autistic brain due to thin myelin sheaths......... especially in the amygdala, and parts of the brain that contain mirror style neurons .

i see richness of effect where others in my life see boredom.
you seem to say that AS people see in black and white ("yes or no" "up or down" "good or bad" etc)
that is true for basic life things like going to the supermarket, but when i look at the clouds that are peach colored at sunset on my back porch, i can conceive of wonderful music that can frame my appreciation of what i am seeing.
but if i have any visitors, they tend to say "hmmmmmm.....yes....beautiful" and then they look away and look at the tv inside again, and i am left thinking "wake up you spud and see the glorious scintillating color and beauty in those clouds".
i do not like visitors.

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4. Nt's can imagine what it feels like to be depressed and lonely, but not how it feels like to be an aspie.

well how can you be depressed and lonely if you are a narcissist and totally over the moon with how you are?
i am sorry i am quite affected tonight and i did not wish to offend.



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27 Dec 2009, 9:47 am

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No NT in this world can imagine what its like to have Autism in any form. Unless they want to subject themselves to having a piece of their brain removed. :twisted:

And I don't want to know what its like to live in their heads. They're idiots. :roll:


so true, yet the logic flaw annoys me. NTs are stupid (which is true) yet you say they would need some of their brain removed to be like us? I think they are the ones with some of the brain missing and we would need some removed to be like them!


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Quick question: What is it that makes autistic brains "miswired" and NT brains right?


Not mis-wired, rather wired differently.



27 Dec 2009, 10:04 am

No, lot of people are stupid, not just NTs. :roll:

Lot of them are irrational.

Lot of them are also black and white

Lot of them also miss the overall picture

Lot of them also lack empathy

I think I am more gray, have more empathy and can see the overall picture than all these people who are stupid. One of WP friends here describes this as intellectual laziness. They are quick to make false assumptions and judge.



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27 Dec 2009, 10:36 am

As is not autism, AS never was autism, and AS will never be autism.



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27 Dec 2009, 10:50 am

you do not seem autistic to me.
maybe it would be good to drop the act



27 Dec 2009, 11:08 am

I don't see how anyone would last 2285 posts playing a role of an autistic. :roll:

I tried playing a role of an "NT" at AS Partners and pretending my husband was aspie and bragging about how great he is and I got bored with my trolling fast and I lost my posting privladges. I sucked at it and I think they caught me being an aspie.
Well it was fun while it lasted, I got some attention. :lol:



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27 Dec 2009, 11:36 am

b9 wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
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AS is autism.

I don't quite agree there, people with autism, and I mean classic autism, doesn't know how to pick up a fork, I've even encountered aspies who "Grow out of" the diagnosis and almost become 100%, the only issue I have left is social skills, but because of my narcissism, I will never truly be social, but I've shown symptoms of outgrowing for about a year now, I can laugh like an NT in social situations, I bash celebrities and critizise them for imperfect finishes, but I may still have need for AS so I can make excuses and make a shield around myself to confuse people.

your paragraph sounds quite confused to me. autism is a syndrome that can range from debilitating severity, to simply a "mild touch" of autism.

considering there is no "blood test " (as it were ) for autism, i would consider people who "grow out of it", misdiagnosed. it can never be a scientifically proven fact (yet) that anyone has autism, so therefore misdiagnoses can occur given the mindset of a harried psychologist toward a person who is simply socially awkward at some point of their life.


there is much more than is contained within your dreams of what it is like to be autistic....in the reality of autism.

as to not being truly social due to narcissism:
i have narcissistic tendencies, but i do not have a narcissistic personality.
i consider that people in my way are obstacles, and i would gladly use a crowbar to move them out of my path.
people in front of me in a queue, i consider with ill will.
i wonder how deserving they are to be served before me. i can not see why they are ahead of me in a queue. what did i do wrong to be standing so far back in a queue of animated meat parcels.

however, because i am exceptionally arrogant(bordering on narcissism), i care not one iota for anyone else's appraisal of me.
i will continue to be with inevitability. like if 100 people insulted the niagra falls, it would still spill forth unaffected.

if you like yourself so much, then why care what others think?
i value my ideas foremost, and i consider other peoples input only if i am not tired or otherwise engaged (which is rarely).

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
3. NT's have a different brain than aspies.

b9 wrote:
every living consciousness has a different brain.



bdhkhsfgk wrote:
The NT brain is slightly different than an aspie brain, they see the world in colors, not black & white like most aspies do.

poppycock. but yes i guess that an autistic brain is different than a non autistic brain due to thin myelin sheaths......... especially in the amygdala, and parts of the brain that contain mirror style neurons .

i see richness of effect where others in my life see boredom.
you seem to say that AS people see in black and white ("yes or no" "up or down" "good or bad" etc)
that is true for basic life things like going to the supermarket, but when i look at the clouds that are peach colored at sunset on my back porch, i can conceive of wonderful music that can frame my appreciation of what i am seeing.
but if i have any visitors, they tend to say "hmmmmmm.....yes....beautiful" and then they look away and look at the tv inside again, and i am left thinking "wake up you spud and see the glorious scintillating color and beauty in those clouds".
i do not like visitors.

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4. Nt's can imagine what it feels like to be depressed and lonely, but not how it feels like to be an aspie.

well how can you be depressed and lonely if you are a narcissist and totally over the moon with how you are?
i am sorry i am quite affected tonight and i did not wish to offend.


I laughed at all of this, so funny, but wrong and vulgar at the same time.

I guess I'm too non-autistic to have AS.



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27 Dec 2009, 11:44 am

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I don't see how anyone would last 2285 posts playing a role of an autistic. :roll:


Most of my posts have been brutal and offensive, almost 1/2 of them have been full of offense, and to tell the truth, many aspies here have only posted around 1-10 posts, I'm just interested in this site, so are many NT's, I've seen many NT's here who have posted 5000-10000 posts in a few years.



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27 Dec 2009, 12:16 pm

Random, off-topic question;

If you see a man covered in white running between your room and stairs, what kind of suffering is it?



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27 Dec 2009, 2:09 pm

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People with AS are brilliant, they can learn form their mistakes and bedcome better persons, some have almost 100%, around 95% become NT



Dude, that is such a Bu**Sh*t myth - Yes, you may learn some social skills over the course of your life, that's because you're autistic, not ret*d, but if you believe you can 'learn' yourself into actually transforming your genetically miswired brain into a Neurotypical brain, you clearly don't comprehend that AS is fundamentally a LEARNING DISORDER.

No one with true AS will ever become neurotypical without dying and being reincarnated into a different body with a differently formed brain.

AS isn't just about how well you think you're doing socially - its easy to fool yourself into thinking you're operating more smoothly than ever before, and maybe you are - but the NTs around you still see that you're fumbling, and you will never fit smoothly into their world because your brain is missing key components that they have and you do not. Whether you want to accept it or not, you think differently than they do, your brain processes signals of all types differently than their brains do and you can't shut your eyes and strain and make that change.

Behavioral Therapies that teach you how to mimic NT behaviors don't change the way you function inside your head - it just turns you into a puppet who dances their way instead of your own natural way. That doesn't make you 95% or 100% NT. That makes you a stooge.


Well said. I wish I had known this a few years ago...would have saved a lot of suffering and wasted time on my part.

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Back to the OP:

I have heard several people, when I try to describe aspects of AS to them, make remarks like: "Wel, everybody goes through that." And it makes me want to strangle them. Because it is sooo not true on any level. They're just being superficial and dense.

The kinds of social anxiety and ineptitude that Aspergians experience is exponentially greater and more debilitating than average Neurotypical 'shyness'. To equate the two is not just to downplay what those with AS go through - it's to treat it as though its not really a handicap, but a mere excuse. They just don't get it and they never will. But that's the level of discrimination we are forced to deal with. Not just that we're weird, distasteful and annoying. That we're doing it on purpose and making excuses, because there's really nothing wrong with us in the first place.

I refer to it as the "Yore legs ain't broke" syndrome. We don't appear to be physically malformed and we're not visibly ret*d, so there is no real problem...


Amen. I am SO SICK of hearing that "everybody goes through that." Love the "Yore legs ain't broke" comment (especially the deliberate misspelling--that's perfect!). I also want to ask those people if they would also be okay with telling someone in a wheelchair that he or she could walk if only he/she would "just try harder," and then insisting on making the wheelchair-bound person drag himself/herself up the stairs instead of using the ramp.



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27 Dec 2009, 2:27 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
I don't see how anyone would last 2285 posts playing a role of an autistic. :roll:


Most of my posts have been brutal and offensive, almost 1/2 of them have been full of offense, and to tell the truth, many aspies here have only osted around 1-10 posts, I'm just interested in this site, so are many NT's, I've seen many NT's here who have posted 5000-10000 posts in a few years.


Sorry, but I have to disagree here... while there are many NTs on WP, what you describe is not factual. Of the top 100 posters on WrongPlanet, which gives a range of ~4100 posts to over 30,000, NONE are described at NT in their profile; 9 are not sure if they have it or not - the rest are identified, in one way or another, as being on the spectrum. While you have your moments, most of your posts are no more offensive or brutal than an episode of 'Metalocalypse' in my opinion. And AS is part of the autistic spectrum; that you do not wish to accept this is your decision, but does not project that decision onto the reality of others.


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27 Dec 2009, 3:37 pm

^ Yes, but i think AS isn't literally autism.