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01 Jan 2010, 5:34 am

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Is there another single-word that can be used in its place? It's awkward to have to use the entire phrase "person with Asperger's" all the time.


I've been using "autistic" to describe myself since being told of my diagnosis in the mid-80s; given the likely changes upcoming in the DSM-V, I suspect many of you may find yourselves doing the same thing. But please--"autistic" not "autie" (a parent-driven label if ever there was one).



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01 Jan 2010, 5:39 am

Personally, I do not understand the term "Aspie". Is there more to it than just a "pet-name" for people with what we know as Asperger's Syndrome (which is completely wrong, as Asperger never was diagnosed with said "syndrome")? What about the picture of a snake and a comment about "Aspies"? It is quite confusing. Maybe this shoud be sticky (if it isn't already so)?


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01 Jan 2010, 1:34 pm

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people with what we know as Asperger's Syndrome (which is completely wrong, as Asperger never was diagnosed with said "syndrome")?


Likewise, there is Barnard's Star and E.E. Barnard was never there, never had title of ownership to it, etc.

Dr Hans Asperger documented the symptomology to categorize this particular "syndrome", so his name is attached to it. In the same way Down's Syndrome was named after Dr John Down - who also was not afflicted with Down's Syndrome.

This is in contrast to Lou Gehrig's Disease - which Lou Gehrig actually had.



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01 Jan 2010, 2:53 pm

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Mental illness a state that is not intrinsic to the person who has it, but rather acquired and unwanted. On the other hand, Asperger's is a neurological disorder that is present from before birth and affects how the brain itself functions; there is nothing out of balance or "wrong" with an Asperger's brain that needs to be fixed; Asperger's is intrinsic to the brain itself.


My feelings precisely.

However, others do not always see it as so simply black-and-white. It disturbs me deeply that so many (and especially bureaucratic paper pushers) seem to have a tendency to classify anything treated as a Mental Health issue as a Mental ILLNESS.

I am not ill. I did not catch AS. I AM Aspergian by nature.


And since Hans himself was never diagnosed with AS, it is not Asperger's Syndrome (possesive), but Asperger / Syndrome (designation).



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01 Jan 2010, 7:29 pm

It's a fun word, it's all happy and fun and stuff :P. Better than saying the full title anyway, I hardly ever use the full title because it makes me feel all weird and unconfortable, even to type.
I wonder how many people in austria/germany actually have the second name "asperger", they must get alot of stick for it. LOL I would not want that second name :lol:


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01 Jan 2010, 10:15 pm

Actually, Willard, the possessive does apply - since Asperger was the first one to describe the symptoms of the syndrome, it gets named after him as if he had invented it. Similar reasoning applies to Down's Syndrome, Barnard's Star, Xeno's Paradox (not a pradox regarding Xeno, but rather regarding a mathematical concept, which paradox existed before Xeno - he was just the first recorded as pointing it out), et al.


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01 Jan 2010, 10:22 pm

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Actually, Willard, the possessive does apply - since Asperger was the first one to describe the symptoms of the syndrome, it gets named after him as if he had invented it. Similar reasoning applies to Down's Syndrome, Barnard's Star, Xeno's Paradox (not a pradox regarding Xeno, but rather regarding a mathematical concept, which paradox existed before Xeno - he was just the first recorded as pointing it out), et al.



So how come diabetes isn't named after a person who described it?
How come cerebral Palsy isn't named after someone who described it?
How come cancer isn't named after anyone who described types of it?
How come Schizophrenia isn't named after a person who described it? Was his name Schizophrenia?
Why is ADHD called ADHD instead of named after someone who described it?
Why are any personality disorders not named after someone who described it?



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01 Jan 2010, 11:12 pm

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elderwanda wrote:
Is there another single-word that can be used in its place? It's awkward to have to use the entire phrase "person with Asperger's" all the time. "Aspie" can be used as a modifier, as in "that's probably one of my aspie traits." If the word "aspie" bothers people, I'd love to hear some possible alternatives.

Also, I like to shy away from the "with Asperger's" kind of talk unless I want to imply that the person (myself or someone else) has a condition. In my personal experience, my "aspie traits" are just part of who I am, and not something that is attached to an otherwise normal me. I yam what I yam, and it's nice to have a variety of descriptive words to talk about my experience. On top of that, since I've never been officially diagnosed, even the cumbersome phrase "person with Asperger's" has to become "person who may or may not have Asperger's." That get's tiresome.

I like "cat". Except I'm not physically limber like a cat, so that doesn't feel right either.


Correct me if I'm wrong here, or better yet enlighten me, because I may have been living under a metaphorical rock for 10 years. If a person who isn't diagnosed with AS, shouldn't they not call themselves an aspie, or am I just way too strung out over the aspie thing?


Well, this has been discussed on WP a lot, and people have different takes on it. I personally choose not to call myself an aspie, but here on WP I do sometimes refer to the fact that I suspect I'm on the spectrum, or that I have certain traits and experiences that are consistent with AS. So those words and phrases come up, even if I'm not flat out saying, "I am an aspie" or "I have asperger's." Perhaps, "half-aspie" would be good, but it's kind of silly.



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02 Jan 2010, 12:11 am

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DeaconBlues wrote:
Actually, Willard, the possessive does apply - since Asperger was the first one to describe the symptoms of the syndrome, it gets named after him as if he had invented it. Similar reasoning applies to Down's Syndrome, Barnard's Star, Xeno's Paradox (not a pradox regarding Xeno, but rather regarding a mathematical concept, which paradox existed before Xeno - he was just the first recorded as pointing it out), et al.



So how come diabetes isn't named after a person who described it?
How come cerebral Palsy isn't named after someone who described it?
How come cancer isn't named after anyone who described types of it?
How come Schizophrenia isn't named after a person who described it? Was his name Schizophrenia?
Why is ADHD called ADHD instead of named after someone who described it?
Why are any personality disorders not named after someone who described it?

Why do we drive in a parkway, but park in a driveway? Why are they called "apartments" when they're all stuck together like that?

Cancer is named what it is because in its advanced, untreated stages, a victim can come to resemble a crab. The first descriptions of diabetes come from ancient Greece and India, and I suppose the folks who wrote those up just didn't want to be associated with it. Schizophrenia, as a diagnosis, has been kicking around for almost as long as there have been psychiatrists; originally, disorders were named in Latin and Greek so as to sound more like the respectable physicians, and as a sort of "appeal to authority" argument - it sounds better if it sounds like something an ancient authority might have said. (That's also why autism is called what it is, even though the name, with its implication of extreme self-involvement, would apply better to catatonia.) ADHD is still evolving in name - once it was "hyperactivity", and was presumed to be due to poor parenting; then it was "attention deficit disorder"; then "hyperactive" was reinserted, once it was realized that someone could have ADD without being hyper at all...

Mostly, it's because language as a concept is not always rational in its treatment of its roots. However, when the discoverer's name is appended, it takes the possessive form (Hudson's Bay, for instance, not Hudson Bay).


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02 Jan 2010, 3:25 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
Actually, Willard, the possessive does apply - since Asperger was the first one to describe the symptoms of the syndrome, it gets named after him as if he had invented it. Similar reasoning applies to Down's Syndrome, Barnard's Star, Xeno's Paradox (not a pradox regarding Xeno, but rather regarding a mathematical concept, which paradox existed before Xeno - he was just the first recorded as pointing it out), et al.



Potayto potahto, that rule doesn't always apply. At least half of the examples of those types of possessives I see in print as often as not without the apostrophe Ess - (in fact, I've never seen or heard Hudson Bay said or spelled with an apostrophe Ess) it seems to be matter of preference more than a rule of standard English. Personally, I feel the extra Ess sound in AS just adds to the Ass Burgers pronunciation and is therefore not only unnecessary but mildly offensive.



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04 Jan 2010, 11:09 am

As we are sliding towards the language topic, I would like to mention there are many differences between English (British), English (USA), English (Canada), and English (Australia).


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17 Jul 2016, 12:37 pm

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The word Aspie was indeed coined by Liane Holliday Willey, in 1999 to be specific.


Slightly earlier - 97-98 - I was on Martijn dekker's INLV list at the time - I remember Liane and all of us discussing it. I also remember contributing a borrow from James Brown - "Say it loud, I'm Aspie and proud".



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17 Jul 2016, 4:05 pm

Conditions named after people is a long standing western tradition.

List Of Eponymously Named Diseases


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