would i still be considered fitting the criteria ?

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13 Feb 2010, 7:28 am

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I find it hard to believe that anyone who was previously diaganosed wouldn't meet this new criteria. This new criteria is much less /strict/, and includes anything from subclinical to nonverbal.

I also like how they included sensory. :)


The new criteria is more strict - it requires 3 in 3 social symptoms (instead of 2 in 4) and 2 in 3 steretype symptoms (instead of 1 in 4)

I disagree. I think the new criteria is less strict, and should fit practically everyone with autism that has clinical impairments.



I think adding the symptoms must be present in early childhood is strict, same as adding in sensory issues. I'm in. Even though my sensory issues aren't that bad.

How is it strict? Autistic symptoms are first seen from 18 months. The more higher functioning form may show signs a little later but it's still around childhood.


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13 Feb 2010, 7:44 am

The old AS criteria had nothing in there about sensory issues or when symptoms must be present by and you didn't have to meet the routines or inflexibility or interests, you only had to meet one in the second part and that could be stimming. But in this criteria, you must meet two from the second part and they are both with interests and routines. You have to meet one of those and meet the stimming part. Or just meet the other two even if you don't have sensory issues or stims.
This is just my opinion so I don't think it's a fact about if this is more strict or not.



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13 Feb 2010, 12:35 pm

League_Girl wrote:
The old AS criteria had nothing in there about sensory issues or when symptoms must be present by and you didn't have to meet the routines or inflexibility or interests, you only had to meet one in the second part and that could be stimming. But in this criteria, you must meet two from the second part and they are both with interests and routines. You have to meet one of those and meet the stimming part. Or just meet the other two even if you don't have sensory issues or stims.


Sensory issues are a great addition. Most people with autism have sensory issues. The criteria does not say that you have to have sensory issues, either. It says you must have two of the following: Fixated interests, excessive adherence to routines, stims OR sensory issues. Notice the or part.


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I think adding the symptoms must be present in early childhood is strict,

Have you heard of anyone becoming autistic as a teenager, as an adult? No. It's life-long, starting in childhood. I'm confused as to how anyone could object that part of the criteria. It even states this: ((but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities)



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13 Feb 2010, 12:49 pm

buryuntime wrote:
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The old AS criteria had nothing in there about sensory issues or when symptoms must be present by and you didn't have to meet the routines or inflexibility or interests, you only had to meet one in the second part and that could be stimming. But in this criteria, you must meet two from the second part and they are both with interests and routines. You have to meet one of those and meet the stimming part. Or just meet the other two even if you don't have sensory issues or stims.


Sensory issues are a great addition. Most people with autism have sensory issues. The criteria does not say that you have to have sensory issues, either. It says you must have two of the following: Fixated interests, excessive adherence to routines, stims OR sensory issues. Notice the or part.


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I think adding the symptoms must be present in early childhood is strict,

Have you heard of anyone becoming autistic as a teenager, as an adult? No. It's life-long, starting in childhood. I'm confused as to how anyone could object that part of the criteria. It even states this: ((but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities)



I have heard of people "becoming autistic" in their teens. Ever seen that one show where this family adopted a bunch of special need kids and one of them had Down's syndrome and they said he got autism in his teens. I have seen a few members here saying they didn't start having AS symptoms until they were in their late childhood.



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13 Feb 2010, 1:21 pm

It's possible but rare for symptoms to intensify during puberty; so sub-clinical to AS wouldn't be impossible, and someone with Kanner's might even outright lose adaptive skills during those years. The increased demands can make what seemed fine for a child show up as a glaring deficit in a teenager. But these people were autistic all along; they were just placed under higher levels of demand. Another rare complication, but which does happen, is epilepsy with onset at puberty--another reason autistic people may lose skills.

They note that it must have been present during childhood, not that it must necessarily have been at the same intensity as it is at diagnosis.

Would you happen to have links to case studies that show this sort of late-onset autism? I'd be very interested.


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