Hormone oxytocin may help Asperger's patients

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26 Feb 2010, 7:27 pm

Here you go.

Itty Bitty Kitty Committee!

Seriously. Kittens will do it. Babies are good too, especially human babies. Oh, and sex, apparently. :)


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27 Feb 2010, 2:17 am

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It'll just make you more interested in bonding with others, i.e., it'll make you less Schizoid. It's not going to do a single thing in regards to making your ability to actually bond with others increase (social reciprocation), just your desire. You might try a bit harder due to the increased interest....

I don't think there's anything wrong with being Schizoid.


the thing for me is that I certainly am NOT Schizoid, I LIKE connecting with people. It's just that my impairments with non-verbal communication get in the way. if anything I have Avoidant Personality Disorder, which involves wanting to socialize but being to anxious and fearful to do so.


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27 Feb 2010, 2:26 am

TPE2,

I don't see anywhere in the journal saying that it'll actually improve the deficits in social ability; staring at pictures of faces can be due to a greater interest in people due to the bonding hormone (I can stare at people till the cows come home, and it doesn't make me uncomfortable in the slightest), as can the same with giving back to people that give to you.

The eccentric group can simply be just as interested in objects, or more so, than they are people, and this hormone can make them more interested in people, whereas the aloof group is so impaired that an added interest does nothing to outside observers.



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06 Oct 2011, 9:11 pm

Firstly I would like to address this very interesting thread. Oxytocin is indeed released, by the Anterior Pituitary Gland (in the bottuck) during orgasm. Well that is to say, for women, apparently. That's what they say. I'm very interested to know more about what women experience physiologically during orgasm. For a man though, Oxytocin is pumped throughout the body during stimulation and ejaculated out of the body, along with the semen. So as it may relax us, it also depletes our capacity and interest for further connection. (Sound familiar fellas?).

Now this from another thread I contributed to -

Oxytocin (excuse my laymans understanding) is pumped throughout the body by the Anterior Pituitary Gland (yes it is in the buttock). It aids in the transmission of all plasmas throughout the body (there are ten I think). It is responsible for the feelings of connection between members of the same species and as other people have indicated, other mammals. They have Oxytocin as well.

The APG requires Magnesium and Essential Fatty Acids to operate well. (We all know the "feel good" effects of Magnesium and EFA's. This is because the fluids are moving more effectively throughout the body). One of the most noticeable plasmas is the sexual fluids. When we feel connected obviously the production of sexual fluid increases. This is the effect of Oxytocin. The interesting thing about it is the more you get the more you desire connection and the less you get the less you wish to be near people. Sound familiar?

So we find ourselves in a catch-22 situation with regards Oxytocin. This is where diet comes in. (But there are sooo many other ways of increasing Oxytocin. If anyone is interested, I would love to share my research). I am personally focussing my efforts on diet, believing that the increase in Oxytocin will increase my tolerance and eventual desire for human company. And it is slowly working too!

If I can share a few easy ways with you: warmth (a warm bath, warm climate, soft music, warm colours, warm water rather than cool, pets, doing what you enjoy, sunlight of course, broad spectrum indoor lighting); Essential Fatty Acids (coconut oil is a miracle! but cold pressed organic oils generally, especially sesame and sunflower, avocado but only if you're digestion is good, warm nut mylks, organic Epsom salt baths); most importantly though minerals (Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Sodium, Zinc). Do not underestimate the importance of these Alkalising minerals. We are not machines. We have natural requirements. Magnesium and Calcium are particularly important to a functioning Anterior Pituitary Gland.

I am extremely interested in discussing this with anyone further as I have dedicated myself to it and my own healing.


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06 Oct 2011, 9:12 pm

KemoreJ wrote:
Oxytocin (excuse my laymans understanding) is pumped throughout the body by the Anterior Pituitary Gland (yes it is in the buttock).

WRONG! The pituitary gland is a protrusion off the bottom of the hypothalamus at the base of the brain.

KemoreJ wrote:
It aids in the transmission of all plasmas throughout the body (there are ten I think).

WRONG! There is only one plasma - blood plasma.

If you are doing any "research" on this hormone, then your obvious errors and ignorance of human physiology lead me to believe that you have little or no formal training in medicine, biology, or endocrinology. Thus, any advice you give on this matter may be suspect.


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07 Oct 2011, 11:16 am

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Callista wrote:
So why are they researching this for autism, then?


IMO it's just other ghost created by the "lack of empathy" impression that was taken to be more than an impression but rather an explanation.

...Because since autistics lack empathy, they are obviously are incapable of bonding to humans or animals or anything else, and are presumably low in oxytocin. :roll:

Anyone who loves their pets, stuffed animals, or even people, has oxytocin functioning fine in their brains, and there seem to be plenty of autistics who do those things. It's all the "lack of empathy," "lack of emotion" appearances yet again. It's even arguable that there is excess oxytocinergic action going on -- bonding "too much" to animals, or inanimate objects. (Or more likely there's something entirely else going on.)

aRGh. Color me skeptical and unimpressed.


Insightful comments about that study by Michelle Dawson, autistic researcher, here:

http://autismcrisis.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... e-for.html

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And indeed, the treatment was successful. Autistics randomly administered a nasal mist containing oxytocin, rather than a saline placebo, significantly improved. They became willing to work with one of the players in an effort to shun and discriminate against the other two, and thereby get more than their fair share of money and attention. They became willing to see the player who shared with them as good and trustworthy, and the player who shared with someone else as bad and untrustworthy. They learned and displayed selfishness and hypocrisy and us-vs-them thinking. Their objectivity, fairness, and altruism were--temporarily--cured.


I'm skeptical. For one, oxytocin is high during breastfeeding and I was just as much an Aspie when I was breastfeeding as I am now. So, at least for me, I doubt it would work. If someone is actually *deficient*, who knows, but given that I successfully breastfed three kids over 2 years each, I doubt I am deficient in oxytocin to any significant degree. I would have to read the study, though, to see if they (the study subjects) were starting with low oxytocin levels.

I don't think autism can be reduced to something like this.

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07 Oct 2011, 11:18 am

KemoreJ wrote:
Firstly I would like to address this very interesting thread. Oxytocin is indeed released, by the Anterior Pituitary Gland (in the bottuck) during orgasm. Well that is to say, for women, apparently. That's what they say. I'm very interested to know more about what women experience physiologically during orgasm. For a man though, Oxytocin is pumped throughout the body during stimulation and ejaculated out of the body, along with the semen. So as it may relax us, it also depletes our capacity and interest for further connection. (Sound familiar fellas?).

Now this from another thread I contributed to -

Oxytocin (excuse my laymans understanding) is pumped throughout the body by the Anterior Pituitary Gland (yes it is in the buttock). It aids in the transmission of all plasmas throughout the body (there are ten I think). It is responsible for the feelings of connection between members of the same species and as other people have indicated, other mammals. They have Oxytocin as well.

The APG requires Magnesium and Essential Fatty Acids to operate well. (We all know the "feel good" effects of Magnesium and EFA's. This is because the fluids are moving more effectively throughout the body). One of the most noticeable plasmas is the sexual fluids. When we feel connected obviously the production of sexual fluid increases. This is the effect of Oxytocin. The interesting thing about it is the more you get the more you desire connection and the less you get the less you wish to be near people. Sound familiar?

So we find ourselves in a catch-22 situation with regards Oxytocin. This is where diet comes in. (But there are sooo many other ways of increasing Oxytocin. If anyone is interested, I would love to share my research). I am personally focussing my efforts on diet, believing that the increase in Oxytocin will increase my tolerance and eventual desire for human company. And it is slowly working too!

If I can share a few easy ways with you: warmth (a warm bath, warm climate, soft music, warm colours, warm water rather than cool, pets, doing what you enjoy, sunlight of course, broad spectrum indoor lighting); Essential Fatty Acids (coconut oil is a miracle! but cold pressed organic oils generally, especially sesame and sunflower, avocado but only if you're digestion is good, warm nut mylks, organic Epsom salt baths); most importantly though minerals (Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium, Sodium, Zinc). Do not underestimate the importance of these Alkalising minerals. We are not machines. We have natural requirements. Magnesium and Calcium are particularly important to a functioning Anterior Pituitary Gland.

I am extremely interested in discussing this with anyone further as I have dedicated myself to it and my own healing.


^^this is medically not accurate, starting with the fact that the pituitary gland is at the base of the brain...

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07 Oct 2011, 11:20 am

Callista wrote:
Here you go.

Itty Bitty Kitty Committee!

Seriously. Kittens will do it. Babies are good too, especially human babies. Oh, and sex, apparently. :)


Awwwwwwww....I love cats :)

Yes, orgasm does cause release of oxytocin (but it isn't ejaculated out...) Dunno whether it would have any effect on AS, though...hasn't cured me yet :P

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07 Oct 2011, 2:58 pm

Oxytocin plasma is ejaculated out by the male. I have not come across anything which indicates the same for women. If Oxytocin increases ones desire for bonding, this could explain the incidence of men just wanting to fall asleep and not be touched after ejaculation.

I have since corrected my hasty ill-informed statement about where Oxytocin is produced. I read it somewhere perhaps from a person who assumed "posterior" meant...well you know.

:D

I don't personally subscribe to the idea of reducing the issue of Autism to one cause and thus one therapy so I would have to agree that Oxytocin is not a panacea for all. But there is mounting evidence that it is useful to some. I am personally having some success in my own "healing" (lessening of the symptoms of "Aspergers Syndrome".

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