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28 Feb 2010, 11:18 am

I don't use pure sugar for example to tea. I don't add anything at all, to be honest.

I am Nutritionist so I know nutrition rules. But it doesn't stop me from eating chocolate. I don't like any other sweets. Only chocolate and only Nussbeisser. Nothing else matters.


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28 Feb 2010, 12:13 pm

With respect to the Pepsi vs. Coke thread, in the United States almost all soft drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup, not sugar. Very very bad stuff. It makes me feel a little ill.

Sugar itself, fine, great. No effect at all.

And I never liked chocolate.



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28 Feb 2010, 12:16 pm

Fructose goes straight into fat. America becomes obese from corn and its products with high Glycemic Index. Evil thing.

You don't like chocolate because I'm pretty sure you have never tried Nussbeisser, Lindt or Bellami products :lol:


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28 Feb 2010, 12:18 pm

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The "slow-release" sort you find in most carbohydrates (breads), and the smaller amounts you find in fruit (for example--120 calories worth in a banana, versus the 300 in a candy bar), are generally the best sorts. I call the carbohydrates in bread "slow-release" sugar simply because they aren't sugar until your body actually takes apart the bigger carbohydrates, so you don't get the quick spike that messes with your blood sugar so much.

The slow release (Low Glycaemic Index) function only pertains to certain types of bread, usually wholewheat bread.

Even when I cut down on chocolate and bad-for-you snacks, I still take a lot of sugar in my tea, and I drink tea (Earl grey with milk) quite regularly. I don't mind switching to low GI foods in general, but giving up the tea would be so difficult. I attempted to cut down once, and the cravings were incredible. I can imagine what smokers must go through. I read a summary of a medical paper in which they said that kicking a sugar habit is more difficult than coming off cocaine. I once fasted (religious fast) for two or three days. It is easier for me to give up food than to give up tea.

I am considering trying a gluten-free lactose-free diet because an aspie friend told me it helped him with concentration; but I love milk!

I am pretty sure I could kick the sugar habit eventually it if I set my mind to it, but it would be a great struggle and I need a convincing piece of logical motivation to get me to that point.


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28 Feb 2010, 12:20 pm

If you are Lactose-intolerant, you can buy enzyme in drugstore, take it before eating milk and all gonna be ok :D


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28 Feb 2010, 12:48 pm

Valoyossa wrote:
Fructose goes straight into fat. America becomes obese from corn and its products with high Glycemic Index. Evil thing.

You don't like chocolate because I'm pretty sure you have never tried Nussbeisser, Lindt or Bellami products :lol:


I'm almost tempted to try a really good one, just to see. I see Lindt everywhere, I think Bellami too, never seen Nussbeisser.

I'm a picky eater, and there are foods I decided I absolutely didn't like until I had the real high quality stuff. So anything is possible I guess.



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28 Feb 2010, 12:52 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
With respect to the Pepsi vs. Coke thread, in the United States almost all soft drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup, not sugar. Very very bad stuff. It makes me feel a little ill.

Sugar itself, fine, great. No effect at all.

And I never liked chocolate.
That's odd... do you get sick from fruit, too?


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05 Mar 2010, 7:33 am

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usually i cut down in sugar like i have NO sugar in my coffee or tea at breakfast, only time i have sugar on food is on 4-6 weetbix usually put honey on top of it which is good.

do you eat fruit? if so you are eating sugar.
yeah i do pensive occasionaly i put that in my cereal like weetbix like 1 banana chopped to kick start the day i eat a lot of fruit all the time like 2 to 4 times a day



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05 Mar 2010, 9:38 am

About a decade ago I experimented with sugar, lots of it and an absolute minimum. I got no result from it at all. I don't get sugar kicks, and I don't feel less energetic without it.


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05 Mar 2010, 11:58 am

Ok I'm just going to give you the facts, no opinions.

I've been off sugar for about 3 weeks now.

I do feel more relaxed in social situations.

I've been saying hi to more people and smiling more

I've been talking to people more on facebook, without being nervous about what other reading will think

I don't necessarily feel like I have more energy, but I've been having less shutdowns.

I did shut down for two days last week, I didn't talk to anyone because I was sick of them. I've had less shutdowns, not none.

I did go through a phase in the middle where I was more irritable, because of cravings.

Those are the facts, now for my opinion. It could be a coincidence, or a rouse. It could be like taking a placebo to feel better from a cold. Either way, I guess we'll find out when I eat sugar again, though now I'm reluctant to. This could even prove that it's all a state of mind for me and I can do anything if I put my mind to it, including socializing.



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05 Mar 2010, 12:05 pm

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About a decade ago I experimented with sugar, lots of it and an absolute minimum. I got no result from it at all. I don't get sugar kicks, and I don't feel less energetic without it.

Me neither......I often go without any sugar till the evening (don't even eat till lunchtime), and I often pig out on chocolate, biscuits and buns, but I've never noticed any difference in the way I feel.

I'll have to test myself out on fructose - I've got a jar of it at home. The dentist said it's a good substitute for sucrose because the plaque bacteria can't metabolise it to corrosive acids. Of course on the jar it says it's the answer to all of life's problems...slow release of energy so you get a steady trickle of energy instead of a huge spike followed by rebound hypoglyceamia....but I'll wager my body won't notice a scrap of difference. Though my teeth might last a little longer.



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05 Mar 2010, 1:12 pm

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The slow release (Low Glycaemic Index) function only pertains to certain types of bread, usually wholewheat bread.

Even when I cut down on chocolate and bad-for-you snacks, I still take a lot of sugar in my tea, and I drink tea (Earl grey with milk) quite regularly. I don't mind switching to low GI foods in general, but giving up the tea would be so difficult. I attempted to cut down once, and the cravings were incredible. I can imagine what smokers must go through. I read a summary of a medical paper in which they said that kicking a sugar habit is more difficult than coming off cocaine. I once fasted (religious fast) for two or three days. It is easier for me to give up food than to give up tea.

I am considering trying a gluten-free lactose-free diet because an aspie friend told me it helped him with concentration; but I love milk!

I am pretty sure I could kick the sugar habit eventually it if I set my mind to it, but it would be a great struggle and I need a convincing piece of logical motivation to get me to that point.


Fructose is often used in specialist foods for those with diabetes, because it is absorbed by the body slower than other forms of sugar. It can be bought in small bags from the supermarket, though it is quite expensive. Why not try that in tea? Bear in mind it is sweeter than ordinary sugar by volume - you'll only need about half as much.

Sweeteners are another option but Aspartame has lots of scary health issues associated with it, too.


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05 Mar 2010, 1:32 pm

I've been on the paleolithic diet for almost two years now, and it proscribes refined sugar. At this point, when I cheat with significant amounts of sugar, I get various negative physical symptoms, ranging from intestinal cramps to, in one case, catching two forms of flu, a cold, and strep throat all at the same time.

The paleolithic diet seems to have improved my brain function in various subtle ways. I does seem to make people less annoying, such that I'm more able to deal with them even when I don't have to.



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05 Mar 2010, 2:06 pm

I'm better when I don't take sugars, or grains for that matter. Dairy is another one. I feel better when I limit it. Kinda restrictive though. I like my fruit and honey, I don't feel they have anything like the effects of refined sugar, though.

Cleaning up my diet did wonders for all sorts of my problems. Skin, mood, sleep, concentration, energy...

The Paleo diet seems very expensive, since it has a lot of meat. Is that the case, Psychohist? Do you find yourself needing to eat less on that diet?

ToughDiamond, by all accounts fructose sugar is actually very bad for you. The only people I can find with good things to say about it, are fast food and soft drink manufacturers.



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05 Mar 2010, 2:14 pm

Callista wrote:
MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
With respect to the Pepsi vs. Coke thread, in the United States almost all soft drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup, not sugar. Very very bad stuff. It makes me feel a little ill.

Sugar itself, fine, great. No effect at all.

And I never liked chocolate.
That's odd... do you get sick from fruit, too?


My research indicates that fruit actually only contains a relatively small amount of fructose. Not the massive quantities that are pumped into the average soft drink.



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05 Mar 2010, 2:21 pm

Has anyone ever tried Stevia? I want to but I can't get it here, not in any quantity or at any price that seems sane. But it is supposed to be a kind of wonder sweetener.