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Brennan
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07 Mar 2010, 9:20 pm

The only thing I dislike about NTs is their need to have a chat about nothing at all. Logically, I understand it, as it strengthens social bonds amongst members of the community to check in with each other now and again, but I find it very uncomfortable when people I barely know stop me in the street to just say hi. This is because I have no idea what I am supposed to talk to them about. Sure, you say Hi, how you are you but then what? The conversation seems to die away and I just want to get out of there.



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07 Mar 2010, 9:39 pm

Brennan wrote:
The only thing I dislike about NTs is their need to have a chat about nothing at all. Logically, I understand it, as it strengthens social bonds amongst members of the community to check in with each other now and again, but I find it very uncomfortable when people I barely know stop me in the street to just say hi. This is because I have no idea what I am supposed to talk to them about. Sure, you say Hi, how you are you but then what? The conversation seems to die away and I just want to get out of there.



What I don't understand is when people plan to do things, why do they have to slack off to socialize?

For example. My family used to do family meals at my grand parents when I lived in Montana. We do Easter meals, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. We go up to eat and instead there be no food cooked. They just wanted to visit, then they eventually star cooking and then we eat and they stay and chat more.

The same goes for when people plan to go out and do stuff so they stop at someone's home to pick them up and instead they stay and chat when they can do that in the car.

Same goes for going to up my grand parents to eat, they can eat as they talk. This was one of the things that frustrate me because they said we were going up there to eat, they didn't say anything about going up there, visit, then cook and then eat and visit some more. They were misleading when they said "We are going up to grandma's and grandpa's for a Easter meal." I'd be expecting food when we get there. Then it always upset me when there wasn't so my parents started to leave me at home and then they come and get me when food be ready.
I think I found a double meaning in their language.

I hate all this.



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07 Mar 2010, 9:48 pm

It's not that I dislike neurotypicals. It's that I dislike what's needed to interact with many of them. It's like walking on eggshells to avoid offending them in some pointless way when trying to coordinate with them to get something done, for example.



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07 Mar 2010, 10:00 pm

Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
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What I don't like about NTs -- is how people with AS bash them to feel better about themselves


This is about Aspies


Hmmm... title of the thread is "what don't you like about NTs?" which means that their comments are well within the subject of discussion. If you have a concern, contact a moderator - creating more conflict in the forums serves little if any useful purpose.


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07 Mar 2010, 11:17 pm

There is really NOTHING that I don't like about NTz as a group.

I find their propensity to 'socialize' and discuss things that don't seem useful for decision making (i.e. irrelevent topics) boring and tiring to keep up with at times; but I don't dislike NTz because of this; I just find them hard work.

Equally I don't dislike people whose religion/culture/racial origin etc differs from mine.

I dislike behaviour such as prejudice and intollerance but I don't think NTz (or any other group) have a monopoly on these types of behaviour.

I appreciate that the thread title is probably a question about what NTz do, but I want to make clear that my discomfort with what NTz DO, is separate from who and what NTz ARE as fellow humans. :D


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07 Mar 2010, 11:59 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
Rainbow-Squirrel wrote:
ViperaAspis wrote:
What I don't like about NTs -- is how people with AS bash them to feel better about themselves


This is about Aspies


Hmmm... title of the thread is "what don't you like about NTs?" which means that their comments are well within the subject of discussion. If you have a concern, contact a moderator - creating more conflict in the forums serves little if any useful purpose.


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I believe Rainbow-Squirrel meant that ViperaAspis's comment of what they like about NTs is actually something about aspies.


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08 Mar 2010, 12:10 am

I don't like the fact that there are hundreds of threads on this site dedicated to hating NT's. Anyone on the autism spectrum knows what it's like to be made the victim by someone else, so why they persist in making fun of NT's, when the same thing happens to them, is beyond me. I can understand being hurt by what they may have said or done to you, but I can't understand why you would then want to do the same. Ive always been 100% against any kind of abuse, & the abuse NT's receive on this site is horrible. It's a very good thing they're not on this site, reading the posts.


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08 Mar 2010, 12:12 am

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I don't like the fact that there are hundreds of threads on this site dedicated to hating NT's. Anyone on the autism spectrum knows what it's like to be made the victim by someone else, so why they persist in making fun of NT's, when the same thing happens to them, is beyond me. I can understand being hurt by what they may have said or done to you, but I can't understand why you would then want to do the same. Ive always been 100% against any kind of abuse, & the abuse NT's receive on this site is horrible. It's a very good thing they're not on this site, reading the posts.


Actually, there are some NT's on the site. Most have a family member on the spectrum, but some want to learn more about autism in general.

Those posts are unfortunate, but every time I see them I make sure to argue against the original poster, and I'm sure others do too.


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08 Mar 2010, 12:15 am

Nothing, they are oh so perfect and better than Aspies. No matter how messed-up it is, at least they are normal. 8)



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08 Mar 2010, 12:25 am

lyricalillusions wrote:
I don't like the fact that there are hundreds of threads on this site dedicated to hating NT's. Anyone on the autism spectrum knows what it's like to be made the victim by someone else, so why they persist in making fun of NT's, when the same thing happens to them, is beyond me. I can understand being hurt by what they may have said or done to you, but I can't understand why you would then want to do the same. Ive always been 100% against any kind of abuse, & the abuse NT's receive on this site is horrible. It's a very good thing they're not on this site, reading the posts.


I totally agree. It is one thing to say that you find a certain behaviour unpleasant or you aren't sure how to deal with it and an entirely other thing to say that NTs are an evolutionary throwback or some other horrible abusive statement. We don't want those statements made against us so why make it against another group that happens to think differently to what we do.



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08 Mar 2010, 5:44 am

Mysty wrote:
I believe Rainbow-Squirrel meant that ViperaAspis's comment of what they like about NTs is actually something about aspies.


Exactly



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08 Mar 2010, 5:44 am

I don't like that I feel inferior compared to them; they have all the success, and I want to share in their world and do some of the things they do. I want them to give me a job and I want a fair few of them to have sex with me. But they sent me away empty-handed, even the best of them, even my long-suffering mother; because I'm not just Asperger-ized, I'm also somewhere on the schizophrenia spectrum (officially), and I have really bad atypical depression which doesn't respond to medication. I am, to all intents and purposes, a piece of junk! :oops:



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08 Mar 2010, 5:53 am

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I don't like that I feel inferior compared to them; they have all the success,

They have ALL the success :?:

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and I want to share in their world and do some of the things they do.

I think some people who do sports are not NTz, there are probably other activities...........

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I want them to give me a job

So go get one or set up your own business..........

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and I want a fair few of them to have sex with me.

I am in full agreement with this one. Since only about 1% of humans are on the Autism spectrum, your experiences with this are likely to be with NTz and I must say, in my personal experience..............it is great..... regardless of the neuro specifics..............

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But they sent me away empty-handed, even the best of them, even my long-suffering mother; because I'm not just Asperger-ized, I'm also somewhere on the schizophrenia spectrum (officially), and I have really bad atypical depression which doesn't respond to medication. I am, to all intents and purposes, a piece of junk! :oops:

Ok, I think I will borrow from the Rocky character in one of the Rocky movies (with apologies for the grammar, but it is a quote)

'Nobody owes you nothing, you owe yourself'

Chris Gardner in 'The Pursuit of Happyness'

'you really want something, you go out and you take it'


Now then, what DID Miggs say................


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08 Mar 2010, 6:20 am

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I want them to give me a job

So go get one or set up your own business..........

It's not that easy to just go out there and get a job. You must get through that interview, where most people with AS fail because they don't communicate that well. At least the ones that aren't extremely mild.
It took me seven years to get my first job.

I tired my own business too. Failed. If I could communicate, not get anxiety about doing a photo shoot and organize a bit better maybe it may have worked.


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08 Mar 2010, 6:27 am

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Blindspot149 wrote:
DavidM wrote:
I want them to give me a job

So go get one or set up your own business..........

It's not that easy to just go out there and get a job. You must get through that interview, where most people with AS fail because they don't communicate that well. At least the ones that aren't extremely mild.
It took me seven years to get my first job.

I tired my own business too. Failed. If I could communicate, not get anxiety about doing a photo shoot and organize a bit better maybe it may have worked.


Congratulations on having the courage and persistence to get that first job.

You are quite right, it is NOT easy and very little in life of any real value related to earning a living and maintaining a dignified income IS easy.

It quite clearly isn't easy for NTz either, judging by the people on welfare in those countries that have 'welfare'.

I have been to the edge and looked over and know the agony of how difficult earning/making a living can feel.


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08 Mar 2010, 3:32 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
What I don't like about NTs -- is how people with AS bash them to feel better about themselves


this sure does make alot of sense to me, but i didnt think that people with AS would do the same until i first came onto the site and i was sort of surprised by the amount of NT threads and what some members have against them.
Its like judging a person with AS but its the just the complete opposite.


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