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12 Mar 2010, 11:35 am

It's not smart to quit a job and then go find another. It's smart to find a new job and then quit your old one.



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12 Mar 2010, 1:13 pm

I will likely never 'toughen up' because I am a tender soul: imagine the juiciest steak which is so tough and brown and manly and sizzling hot on the outside, yet inside is as pink and soft as a baby's skin ... that's me; I am fundamentally pink and soft, or 'sensitive' as my grandmother calls me.



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12 Mar 2010, 1:17 pm

Goddamnit where did this garbage come out from. I have this to say. For the OP and all the "tough love FTW we must kick people in their a**holes" mentality >_<

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Also, by doing this, you'll walk around with more confidence, and significantly reduce the number of people who would notice you that way in the first place. There still will be jerks, but a lot of people will look at you as "anyone else."


Most people don't care. Also if they talk s**t about you directly, you point it out to them, make them look like hipocrites, etc. Mess their arguments away. I don't care about how other people react.

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. I feel this site coddles people too much because they're afraid of hurting people's feelings


You mean not being a complete jackass to people? LOL. I didn't know you could complain about an AUTISM SUPPORT SITE "coddling" people?

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Like it or not, certain things work and certain things don't. I had to learn the rules of dating, and now that I know them, it's like riding a bike. It seems a lot of people, especially on the love and dating forum, want to say "I can't" out of fear or obstinence and disrespect for everyone giving them advice.


What about those people who don't give a s**t about garbage neurotypical rules and do fine by themselves, or break away without resulting in PUA-type insanity? I find that funny that you go "hur hurr become neurotypical and ovecome your autism" - or IMPLY it in your posts.

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Playing the "I have AS and I can't help it" card is only going to get you so far. If anything, maybe my situation is different than most here, but my social skills have been easier to correct


So you admit that your situation is not everyone's situations, and you want to force normalcy on other people. You want the autistic nation to surrender to neurotypical society. Come on, you sound like one of those PUA artists who go on and on about this sort of mentality.

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The reason I'm hard on a few members on this site in particular is because they're on this site for comfort.


Yes. This is an autism support forum. Not a forum for people to attempt to be neurotypical and diss those who will not surrender to neurotypical culture.

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They have no intention of changing what can be changed, they just want to be stubborn and do things their way and have the world adapt to them.


So? Neurotypicals do the same thing, only they managed to maintain a majority in their society. That simply shows for those more autistic to beware of neurotypical societied.

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I had the dating problems too, as far as feeling hopeless and sexually frustrated, but that's nothing to whine over,


Yes it is. The hikkimori would love to show/point out to you otherwise.

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and if you're tough with the guy doing the whining, he isn't going to hurt himself. He's just using the internet as a passive aggressive source to vent.


Justifying trolling and flaming? LOL. That's seriously an attempt to justify trolling aupport forums. If you don't want to hear the "whining" - then don't go on that sub-forum. Don't instead go and troll people as you seem to be justifying and then fallimng back on "toughen up" or "man the f**k up" mentality on an INTERNET FORUM DEDICATED TO SUPPORT. We are not /b/

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I'm addressing the posters on the love and dating forum who whine about not having a girlfriend and complain about the so-called NT rules of dating.


Yes. The rules the neurotypicals use tend to be illogical and dated on archaic traditions. There have been eras of change and destruction of the old order, but then a new order replaces it that is just as illogical and based in annoying socialising garbage.

Now if you are going to deny that and attempt to go onwards and ally with the neurotypicals, as the rest of your post implies...

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.I wanted to date bad enough where I worked around my weakness and found women that were my type to date online,


That's not exactly using NT rules of dating, nor selling out

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and now because of it, my social skills are at a point that when I see that cute girl in real life that I want to talk to, I do it. I might not be the most smooth guy, but I have much more ability than I ever did and got rid of the excess mental and physical anxiety.


By using the internet, something that IS NOT exactly neurotypical. Even in this era where the normals have invaded the internet wih Web 2.0


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12 Mar 2010, 4:21 pm

I toughen up by cutting myself and punching trees. It seems to work.



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12 Mar 2010, 4:29 pm

Is there some kind of internet equivalent to the high five?
Because I would like to give Warsie one, if he wants to.



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12 Mar 2010, 5:26 pm

ursaminor wrote:
Is there some kind of internet equivalent to the high five?
Because I would like to give Warsie one, if he wants to.


Me too.


I toughened up by means of this sentence, said to myself whenever I got into "Poor little me, why must I suffer so?" mode:

"Get over yourself; what makes you so special that you should never suffer?"

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12 Mar 2010, 5:37 pm

:) whoamI: that's one of the noble truths of buddhism, i.e everybody suffers.

apparently this insight both reduces one's own suffering and increases empathy for others



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12 Mar 2010, 6:44 pm

There are choices besides either wallowing in self-pity or functioning in ways that lots of autistic people will never manage while attacking people who can't.

And I've found that simply dispassionately describing one's difficulties with "basic" tasks is enough to get accused of doing the first thong by people doing the second thing on this site sometimes.


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12 Mar 2010, 7:53 pm

Warsie, you can play the misunderstood Aspie card all you want, but it isn't going to get you anywhere in life besides having a bitter AS vs. NT mentality.

Nowhere I did I say to pretend to be NT. I said to change what can be changed. I think people use AS an excuse, "Oh I have AS so dating is difficult for me" even though they've never tried.

As for the job thing...I'd like to wear Armani suits, but I live without it for the time being. I'd rather be a professional, struggling musician (which I am) than have a job I hate and make more money.



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12 Mar 2010, 8:34 pm

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As for the job thing...I'd like to wear Armani suits, but I live without it for the time being. I'd rather be a professional, struggling musician (which I am) than have a job I hate and make more money.
Impossible.
You do not know if you would like to wear Armani suits because you have never worn them.
Unless you are one of those people who sees clothes as status symbols.
But if they are really uncomfortable, you can wear convenient clothes underneath, although you would put on a false image for everyone, you seem to be wearing the suit, but underneath you are still wearing convenient clothes.

Metaphor?



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12 Mar 2010, 9:24 pm

I'm not out to impress anyone. If I were, I'd be listening to Miley Cyrus and wearing Abercrombie. Some people just happen to like to dress sharply.



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13 Mar 2010, 4:11 am

LipstickKiller wrote:
:) whoamI: that's one of the noble truths of buddhism, i.e everybody suffers.

apparently this insight both reduces one's own suffering and increases empathy for others


I know it is. :) I worked it out and noticed its effects before I read anything about Buddhism.


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13 Mar 2010, 5:20 am

So your saying you'll never have a 9-5.....that sux!



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13 Mar 2010, 6:03 am

League_Girl wrote:
It's not smart to quit a job and then go find another. It's smart to find a new job and then quit your old one.


it's like my mother says never leave a job until you have another one to go to.

I have AS and have never dated or tried to date.
the reason is simple
I don't want to.
it holds no appeal for me.



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13 Mar 2010, 6:05 am

8-7 would work equally well.



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13 Mar 2010, 11:58 am

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I'm not saying that you'd just blow off a potential suicide. I'm sure your opinion has a lot of truth in it....all I'm saying is that we should be very careful that we don't forsake those who really are close to the edge. I do believe in "tough love," and I hate to see the cranking out of indiscriminate approval, which isn't really love at all. But brutal honesty can sometimes do more harm than good.


I agree with the entire statement, but if you are really that close to the edge, it is in your best interest not to rely on an internet site like WP with more-or-less anonymous people to keep your life held together. You'd be infinitely better off getting some professional help face-to-face, or consulting somebody who knows you personally to actually help you with the nitty-gritty details that are required to step away from that edge.


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