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22 Mar 2010, 1:41 am

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Does anyone here remember that movie from 1992 "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle"? remember how the nanny was nice to everyone except the gardener who was mentally challenged, she would drop the act and just be her nasty self?



Yeah but I don't remember any mentally challenged person.



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22 Mar 2010, 1:48 am

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I noticed it in my childhood. Kids were mean to me but be nice to each other. Even one of my own friends did it to me.


The same thing happened to me as well as a child. My so called "best friends" never stuck up for me when she should have. I always wondered how could my friends be involved in all the nasty things being said to me; perhaps they were right and something was wrong with me. My dad says terrible mean things to me all the time as if I were not in the room and taunts me during meltdowns. I threatned to punch him a few times and just might someday. My parents aren't as knowedgeable about AS as they claim to be. But if one of my brothers or some "friend" of the family makes a nasty comment or treats me less, I will not hesitate to soc them.



My friends also didn't stick up for me much. I can remember a bunch of big kids throwing pine cones over the fence at me and my best friends were in the yard with them but they didn't stick up for me. Sometimes I wonder if they were too afraid to stick up for me because of peer pressure and they didn't want to be rejected or made fun of. Same reason why I didn't stick for for this AS boy on my school bus. I suspected he had it and I didn't want to be bullied so I ignored it. Though I felt sorry for him.



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22 Mar 2010, 2:13 am

People definitely treat me differently... in general, they are very nice to me. I have that "lost young woman" vibe, apparently, that makes people go out of their way to help me.

I used to feel that occasionally people were being "mean," but after a few years' experience I've come to realize that it's gentle teasing or me reading too much into a careless remark. So I think perception has a lot to do with things.


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22 Mar 2010, 2:38 am

Hey wait until you get older, this just gets better and better. I meet my NT wife's family properly for first time and spend more than an hour with them. I get taken to pub with two brothers. It is brilliant. First time ever I'm getting this in-group vibe. Wife and sister in law go to toilet. I say to one new brother in law "this is great I've never felt part of a big family before , thank you so much." He says you will never be part of this f*****g family this is just for show in front of my sister.

My father in law was in RAF . Interested in planes. I learned all about planes to converse with him.
He decides I am being condescending and patronizing. Never spoke to me in last four years of his life nor was I invited to their house. He dies, I'm not invited to funeral and Mother in law is disabled and left on own. I am expected to run her her around, have her at my house etc.

She's Ok , I don't hold any malice. My NT wife won't really speak to my mother.

It's all a game isn't it?



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22 Mar 2010, 3:13 am

I do this due to a reverse filter, the only people who matter to me, are those who have shown I matter to them.

If someone were to attempt to intentionally do that at me, and not just because of a perceived aloofness due to no physical/verbal social cues, I simply point out how utterly unconcerned I am regarding them, and tell them to go elsewhere.

When I was younger and got this sort of crap, I liked to playfully shove the person in a particularly humiliating manner, step in quickly, put my palm flat on their chest, and drive through them with a one handed, full power kung fu punch. Doing it open palmed merely launches them backwards a few feet. Once or twice, with the reminder that I could have put more power into an actual punch... it gets the point across.


Anyone who does this to you is not worthy of being upset over, make a point to remind them of this, for an NT to be informed they have no value at all in your eyes is a nicely edged counter to this two-faced BS.



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22 Mar 2010, 3:22 am

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OMG this has happened to me too!

There was someone I knew who would come across as the most sweet and loving caring person on the planet but when noone else was around except me she would just change into a totally different person. But she was all nice and sweet even with her best friend but just plain different and nasty to me, oh and she was also nasty to her kids also and I once even caught her out being nasty to these kids she was babysitting aswell. She had everyone fooled that she was a different person. How the hell does someone manage to do that? and I was always wondering why she dropped her guard when i was around.


nothing to gain from you probably. definitely some pathology with folks like this. once there was a new boss at my work and in the middle of the very first staff meeting he literally screamed at me for five minutes in front of everyone. backed me up against a filing cabinet, right in my face. I guess he had me pegged the minute he saw me as someone he was going to have alot of fun bullying right from the start. people on my shift came up to me afterwards and were like 'wtf'...he stayed for two years, but I was determined after that day that I would not leave that job before he did. he used to yell and cuss at me all the time...only the women in the dept, basically would he do this to. I eventually found out some information on him and started a timer on him, basically i said to myself, I won't do anything with this as long as you don't ever scream at me in my face again. It took him three months to scream and curse at me again, and I went to personnel the next day, and a few days later he was fired, they had to escort him out of the building he threw such a fit (luckily I was off that day). basically I found out he was adding extra hours to his favorite employees paychecks as a way to get them extra money for time they didn't work, and I realized one day that when you badge in and out of the security gate before you go in the building it logs your entry and exit so I knew when they compared the security logs with the payroll logs (which is what I asked human resources to do after he screamed at me in my face for the LAST time) it would show people were getting paid for time they were not even in the building. Don't ever **** with an aspie...we will lay in wait for your behind for years. :)



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22 Mar 2010, 6:00 am

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Hey wait until you get older, this just gets better and better. I meet my NT wife's family properly for first time and spend more than an hour with them. I get taken to pub with two brothers. It is brilliant. First time ever I'm getting this in-group vibe. Wife and sister in law go to toilet. I say to one new brother in law "this is great I've never felt part of a big family before , thank you so much." He says you will never be part of this f*****g family this is just for show in front of my sister.

My father in law was in RAF . Interested in planes. I learned all about planes to converse with him.
He decides I am being condescending and patronizing. Never spoke to me in last four years of his life nor was I invited to their house. He dies, I'm not invited to funeral and Mother in law is disabled and left on own. I am expected to run her her around, have her at my house etc.

She's Ok , I don't hold any malice. My NT wife won't really speak to my mother.

It's all a game isn't it?



yes, it is.



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22 Mar 2010, 12:50 pm

memesplice wrote:
Hey wait until you get older, this just gets better and better. I meet my NT wife's family properly for first time and spend more than an hour with them. I get taken to pub with two brothers. It is brilliant. First time ever I'm getting this in-group vibe. Wife and sister in law go to toilet. I say to one new brother in law "this is great I've never felt part of a big family before , thank you so much." He says you will never be part of this f*****g family this is just for show in front of my sister.

My father in law was in RAF . Interested in planes. I learned all about planes to converse with him.
He decides I am being condescending and patronizing. Never spoke to me in last four years of his life nor was I invited to their house. He dies, I'm not invited to funeral and Mother in law is disabled and left on own. I am expected to run her her around, have her at my house etc.

She's Ok , I don't hold any malice. My NT wife won't really speak to my mother.

It's all a game isn't it?

Oh. My. GOD. That has got to be one of THE. MOST. F***ED. UP. Things. I've EVER heard. Your wife's family must be horrible people. Does your wife know her brothers hate you or why they hate you?

How does your mom treat your wife?



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22 Mar 2010, 2:13 pm

Ahh, people or as i call them "humans"...

Two faced b*st*rdism:
There's three ways to know what an persons REALLY like under the smiles and social skills.
1) Observe them when they are unaware of being observed and thin they wont be.
2) Pay attention to their personality when they're interacting with the "least" (the person considerd "lowest" for whatever reason) this works well with #1.
3) observe them while they are under duress. (though dont cause duress to attain this)

No ones as nice and white as we believe and there are alot of 'underneath the smiley "okay"/"fine" face' really in pain/scared people.

yeah, and we're the messed up one's because we're usually all blunt and honest and stuff... uhuh



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22 Mar 2010, 2:50 pm

I think that people treat us like that, because they don't see us as being worthy of life, and they wish that we were never born.


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22 Mar 2010, 3:16 pm

One of the many social phenomena I am contemptuous of.
Like Goat On Fire, I also do not see eye witness testimonies as valid.
I think they are the worst evidence.
Where I live, you cannot make a case with just eye witness testimonies, you have to have some hard evidence.
I like that.



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22 Mar 2010, 3:29 pm

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I do this due to a reverse filter, the only people who matter to me, are those who have shown I matter to them.





that really is the lesson we have to learn. I understand in memesplice's case with inlaws there isn't much you can do, but it still is the point. Sigh...I am thinking now about the last attraction I have had to someone and it's kind of the same thing. God it's depressing. The thing that kills me is we make really good partners most of the time, because we generally don't run around and play the NT games most of the time. I guess if you beat on your SO and cheat on them that makes you worthy somehow.



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22 Mar 2010, 3:36 pm

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I think that people treat us like that, because they don't see us as being worthy of life, and they wish that we were never born.


I remember reading in some work of fiction once a guy is talking and he says something to someone about a man beating a dog, and he says the reason is because he looks in the dog's eyes and knows deep inside that that dog is better than him. Reading this thread I am inclined to believe this is what is happening. It's the same with animal abuse, really, you can either appreciate that pure angelic being in front of you or you can put a wall up to it's divinity, (probably because the pure angelic being within yourself had had the crap kicked out of it) and you can torture, torment and stomp it into the ground. I know this is the case with bullies at school who are budding delinquents, that part of themselves is obliterated at home and they have to squash it everywhere else that they see it or remember the pain that they are in themselves. It really makes me sad to think that people who are going through this may not understand what is at play. It's vulnerability people are responding to, something we don't hide very well, in essence it's their own damn vulnerability they are so frightened of.



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22 Mar 2010, 4:00 pm

I don't really encounter that problem, or either I'm unable to realise it. I used to be asked by teachers if the kids didn't bully me, but I was never aware of it. By the time I was 18-20, I learned to act social, and it seems to work out for me now. I still don't have any close friends, not even people I hang out with regularly, but I'm being tolerated. I do use my hyperactivity to talk a lot and look talkative. People hardly ever realise the difference between talking without actually saying something and actually having something to talk about.


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22 Mar 2010, 5:44 pm

alana wrote:
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I do this due to a reverse filter, the only people who matter to me, are those who have shown I matter to them.





that really is the lesson we have to learn. I understand in memesplice's case with inlaws there isn't much you can do, but it still is the point. Sigh...I am thinking now about the last attraction I have had to someone and it's kind of the same thing. God it's depressing. The thing that kills me is we make really good partners most of the time, because we generally don't run around and play the NT games most of the time. I guess if you beat on your SO and cheat on them that makes you worthy somehow.



I actually don't find it all that depressing to be perfectly fair; as you even said we make really good partners; but deep down, they obviously don't.

One thing I like about being Autistic is that if nothing else really weeds out all the bad people, that sure as hell will do it.

When finding a soul mate, virtually everyone is already wrong for someone. Perhaps you've heard the saying "there's someone for everyone"; that's true--someone.

There's someone for everyone, but there're also substitutes for everyone; ya just gotta work a lot harder at it with the latter; oh...and humans aren't known for being motivated and hard-working...ya see where I'm goin' with this?

Being rejected by everyone on the planet doesn't mean you're not worthy....it means they aren't. It's just nature's way of showing it to you.

But then..look how they're relationships usually go. High divorce rates, alimony, etc.

Basically, everyone and their mom is attracted to each other; we're left out of that equation...but a lot more good comes out of that then you may realize.



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22 Mar 2010, 6:22 pm

I've been sure for a long time that people treat me differently. I've never really had any good at dealing with this type of thing.