Why is empathy such a big deal?
Even as a little kid I was told I need to care more about people and it confused me. Humans are the most spiteful, greedy, hateful, cruel and destructive creatures on the planet but if I express sympathy for an animal I get acussed of being a mental case. Perhaps it is not empathy at all but compassion. I don't feel that fore people either. My mum says I possibly have an attactment disorder in addition to autism because I never really seemed to care about anyone. I have to fake empathy for even my own family so I do not offend them or further ostocise myself from everyone but in reality I do not care and or do not feel anything. My mum says I love my lizard more than anyone because it is not a give and take relationship because lizards are not capable of emotion.
But why is empathy (espicaly empathy for other people) such a big deal?
First of all, regarding the bold sentence:
About 15 years ago I had a neighbour who had 2 turtles. When one died, the other one got upset, didn't wanna eat, and only wnated to go the cage where the other turtle had lived. This turtle had never been very loving towards the owner, and would only stay in his arms for a few minutes. He was sad and picked up the turtle for confort, and was surprised when it stayed for an hour. He absolutely felt they had comforted each other. The turtle stayed obsessed with the cage for weeks. Don't effing tell me they don't have emotions!
Okay, to the topic:
I know exactly what you mean. I have never cared about people either. I have never taken any interest in people at all. It's not due to bad experiences, it's due to a complete lack of interest. I have never been interested at any age, not even before I understood that I differed from the rest. In nursery I would go to the fence to be by myself, as the others didn't usually go there, they played elsewhere. I'd go there and think and day dream. Same in kindergarden and onwards.
(The only thing I can't relate to, is the part about not caring for family. My parents + maternal grandparents are the only people I have ever cared about. I love/d them highly, but I'm unable to tell them directly or showing compassion when something is wrong. It's not that I don't care about them, as I've pointed out, it's just that I can't express it. The rest of my rels, acquaintences etc have never meant anything to me. There is no emotion there.)
I am unable to feel anything for people other than that. yet I know I can feel empathy, for I have always felt sorry for animals and objects/machines. When my father told me to go out and "lose" a thing he wanted to get rid of, I obeyed, but I felt very sorry for the dart board that was going to get exposed to the elements, left behind (I was 5.) At the same age (4-5) I saw a dead magpie and I felt so sorry for it.
In elementary school I enjoyed watching the cars passing my school. I took way more interest in the cars passsing during one recess than I ever took in the kids I knew my entire childhood.
I have always been compassionate toward animals. When I see an animal suffering, I feel torn between physical pain and rage. It's almost as if the pain is mine.
When I see people suffer, be it something I see IRL or something in the news, I don't feel a thing. I'm not a sadist, I just don't care. It's just a piece of information for me. I can understand intellectually that they are bad off, but there is no emotion involved. "20 killed in bombing." "The table is brown." Both statements create equal response in me. "200 pigs died when barn burned". Bang! It hits me like a physical blow in the stomach, and I have to try to not think of it, because it's so terrible, too much.
(I still even can feel for machines. I know that they are inanimate, there is no confusion there, but I am still avle to get slightly emotional. Nothing like with animals, though.
The scene in Herbie where the car "runs" around the town "crying", made me feel a small lump in my thoat. ET makes me cry. I know it's just idiotic and just made up (in every aspect of the meaning), yet I feel something. A movie about people - no reaction.)
PunkyKat, I don't see the problem at all. it's great that some of us care for animals. Most people can't see beyond their own kind. The planet badly needs people who care for animals, people who can point out that life is life, we're not the center of the universe, existence doesn't orbit humanity.
People behave as if this is their world alone. It is not and everyone needs to remember that. Read Frank Schätzing's "Swarm"? I wish yrr was real...
It seems a lot of aspies do, but not all of us do. I have never once craved interaction, friendship or relationship. I have never wished I had friends. I have never longed to be with anyone. A few years ago when my mother was away for some weeks, I missed her once or twice, but I didn't miss havinge someone to talk to, I missed her. There's a difference. I have never desired contact with my "peers".
I'm not a fan of Christopher Gillberg, but his criteria 1b fits me
He assumes that about 40% of the aspies are "active but odd" ("deviant"), ca another 40% are "aloof" ("sheltered"), and the rest are passive. I don't know what he bases that number on, but it'sobvious that some aspies don't have the social desire at all.
I have never been interested in anything besides my interests. When I began school, I walked slowly to school, after all it was just school. The other kids hurried to get there more or less in time. On the way home they took their time (the little while I saw them) while I hurried to get home to get on with my life, home to my pets, toys and books and the solitude of my room where I could think in peace. Cross out toys and 25 years later it's still me.
I know the names of most of the neighbour hood dogs, yet I don't recognise their owners without the dog, nor do I easily recognise the people in the stairs we live. I had no trouble telling my ex-neighbour's turtles apart.
I have seldom if ever been able to relate to anyone. Even when someone cries over their late dog, I think of my dead dog and feel sad, but it's my grief for him I feel, not for them or their loss. I understand what they feel, I know because I've been there, but it's my sorrow it brings back.
I think most people are driven towards people, while some of us are not, and I fail to see that it's a problem that some of us have other priorities.
I feel just like that. My mum dosen't think lizards are capable of emotion but she also thinks that when the Bible says "santy of life", it does not mean soley human life but animal life as well and ALL animals. She will only buy cruelty free products and humanely sluaghtered meat. She may think lizards lack emotion but to her that is not an excuse to be mean to them and is always nice to Pippin and reminds me to put her in her cage so she can get warm. I feel quilty if I don't get Pippin out for x hours a day and ask my mum if she thinks Pippin is confused and loney and she says no becuase they don't have the emotions of a person. Maybe I misheard what she said. She agrees with me when I say their is a special place in Hell for people who are mean to animals.
When I see or read about animals in labs, I can feel their pain and the pure fear that must be worse than any sort of pain they would be in. Suffering from intense panic attacks, I know fear is no fun. Just because an animal can't cry or say no is no real to abuse and torture it. Vivesection in any form is 100% wrong and I'm sure there is a special place in hell for the people who do it or endorse it.
I do not crave social interaction.
I feel not empathy nor sympathy.
When I was younger, I felt guilty nearly all the time, felt extreme sympathy for objects, needed constant reassurance.
I enjoyed talking very much with my friends.
And only about my interests.
It gave me happiness.
I no longer do this.
I am detached from others.
I know I don't have much empathy. I can have a lot of sympathy, though. It seems I have sympathy for quiet people easily. The less they complain about their problems the more I feel for them. For those who complain about everything I find it very hard to be sympathetic, even if they're truly mistreated. I'm definitely awkward at expressing my concerns for people. Too often I saying things like "It can be worse" "It's not that bad" "You just need to relax" "There's absolutely nothing to worry about, just fix it" to comfort people, which rarely worked. Sometimes I browse online for a solution to their problems and tell them how to fix it before they even finished telling, which was probably not the right way to be helpful.
I take care of my very old grandma. When she complains about her health problems my standard responses are "Anything I can do?" "Would you like to go see a doctor?" Would you like to call your daughters?" I understand that's not what she want but I just can't do it. Living with her already takes a lot of self control and patience. I can't pretend everyday to be somebody else, too.
I generally feel empathy when I see someone going through an emotion in a bad situation or bad experience similar to one I've had myself at some point.
I've found it a useful thing to have in some ways, wanting to help people and doing so; it helps everyone by helping each other when we need it.
Have you ever watched a nature program?
People may be cruel, greedy, bastards, but compared to alot of animals... we're pretty good!
A male lion, when it becomes the new alpha will kill and sometimes eat every cub, then `rape` the females so they all give birth to his heirs. And they're better than us? It seems to just be becasue we ARE more sivilised, that things people do that are like animals seem so much worse.
I unfortunatly feel a bit of empathy, I wish I didn't, I wish I could steal etc guilt free. But I can't ..... a well:(
I do experience empathy, but just not usually in the moment. It's usually thinking about something after it happened and suddenly realizing someone felt hurt or felt good and then feeling it. Or I might read something in the news about some injustice and feel a deep empathy for the victims, and because political-related things are part of my special interests I find myself reading about this all the time and even sometimes think back to it and feel it. Sometimes I'll miss things in social situations because my mind is off feeling empathy for people I heard about in the news, sometimes even for groups (feeling empathy for people in certain countries, for minority groups). If something is obvious like if someone trips and falls I immediately feel empathy. I just misinterpret things in conversations, facial expressions, and body language.
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Its like this. have you ever watched the news? Notice how anytime time theres a scandle, the named sandale always has a name ending with "gate" watergate, party crashers gate,
ever since im shure people have been around if you arent like them, you're different and that makes you wierd! people want YOU to be just like them so thats why they call you names if you arent empathetic
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Because it means that you care about them and if you don't care about them, they think you are a selfish person and don't care about anyone.
I often get empathy and sympathy mixed up. I think I have it but have been told I don't really. My mom says I have it and so does my husband but he says not much and he still gives me a hard time for having empathy for our pumpkins that were rotting and it was three years ago when it happened. I have even been called selfish but I don't care anymore. I even ask my husband if he is alright when I see he is going "ow ow" and isn't that empathy?
This may be completely off the wall and it's only what I've observed from my job as much as my own experience, but as others have said a lot of people do confuse empathy with sympathy.
Sympathy is feeling bad for someone else in a particular situation but not necessarily identifying with that situation.
Empathy is understanding the feelings of someone else and identifying with a situation whether or not you have experienced it yourself.
Non-autistic people muddle those up all the time, so I'm not sure why they expect us to be perfect in interpreting them.
Also, what I've seen from work situations is...I can empathise with people who are and who are not autistic, but I find it more of a natural impulse when someone who is autistic is trying to explain what they need/want/are afraid of/etc. There are a few service users where I work who I have had long conversations with about problems they're having and they trust me although they don't know I am also "one of them" as it were. Because I understand things a little from their perspective, I'm better at handling their problems than any of my colleagues are.
Now the question is, how many people who have trouble empathising (not sympathising) with non-autistic people have the same trouble empathising with people on this board or in other autistic forums about things they're going through?
Non-autistic people are sometimes unreasonable in their expectations of us. Quite often they can't/refuse to empathise with the effort we're putting in to daily life and make demands that we adhere to their interpretations instead of listening to ours too. We're expected to empathise with their situations or else we;re wrong/cruel/cold hearted/soulless etc. However for the most part what they show us is "SYMPATHY", not empathy.
They on the other hand are probably capable of empathising with other non-autistic people, because they understand a little better the way that person sees the world.
It's another cross communication issue, but as ever we're on the fall side of the equation.
i know. who needs it? Once when i was a kid i saw my pet cat steven got run over. I did not understand the situation and asked by parents if steven had sustained damage to its exterior? she said steven was dead. to which i replyed that is most unfortunate, we now need a new cat. later when she thought i couldnt hear my mom commented to my father "our kid is a f****** robot" but its not that i dont feel anything i just express it in a diffrent way. NTs are so wierd.
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It's like this for me, too. Going to social work school really helped because I was forced to perform empathy in front of classmates in mock interviews with "clients". This sounds cheesy but it actually really helped - probably because being around social work students made it a particularly supportive and non-judgemental atmosphere.
