Why are you trying to diagnose yourself?

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24 Apr 2010, 9:32 pm

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I was just wondering what made some of you decide to try and diagnose yourself without the help of a docotr. Or why you felt you need to.
And why some of you cant see a doctor?

Because it's too expensive and time consuming.


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24 Apr 2010, 9:38 pm

When I first encountered Aspergers (2004), I wasn't really looking for anything. I was used to how I was and accepted it as normal. Self-diagnosis was obvious, but it took years of talking with various experts before the diagnosis became official. Even now, there's not a lot I can do about the basic stuff although my listening and face dancing skills are slowly improving.



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25 Apr 2010, 12:57 am

Because no one here has even heard of AS, unless they've read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time or House Rules. And based on the traits displayed by the characters with AS in those books, I'm very mild. I don't scream when touched, I can make fleeting eye contact (after much effort), can hold conversation for short periods of time (through scripting) and I can break from routine without much problem (but I don't like it). Never mind that I probably used to have the symptoms, but now I can bet that I won't be diagnosed because I have learnt to cope.

And my parents don't know what AS is and autism is often associated with things like speech and language delay, which I didn't have. Which just complicates everything.



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25 Apr 2010, 1:04 am

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Lack of money, confidence in the accuracy of my diagnosis due to my inherently scientific manner of considering things, awareness that I know myself after decades of self-study in a manner which lets me honestly consider things I've done/do and identify the hypothesis which explains the most phenomena while raising the least questions.

I diagnosed myself as being a cat 10 years ago, because I didn't know what AS was, only that I wasn't NT (though I didn't know it was called NT either) from years of considering how insane everyone seemed.
What's cat?


That is pretty funny.

Literally as being something other than human, something more like the way a cat thinks, I understand cats, they make sense, and I can naturally identify with them.

Humans are a completely different story, until I started reading the boards here I never found people that made as much sense, or were as possible to identify with broadly, as Aspies were.

Combine that with checking the symptoms/confirming them with my mother/family/friends, it is the most simple explanation: I have Asperger's Syndrome.



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25 Apr 2010, 1:54 am

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I was just wondering what made some of you decide to try and diagnose yourself without the help of a docotr. Or why you felt you need to.
And why some of you cant see a doctor?

Im 19, out of work and leaving for the military pretty soon. Socially in my life I have never had any freinds besides 1 in elementary school and have always been extremely social awkward, saying thigns out of place and having problems paying attention to things that arent of my interests. I always desired to be popular and to have freinds and companionship, it has led me to attempting to fit in in any way possible for most of highschool and getting into alot of trouble because of it. As I got older I developed trouble even initating conversation and basiclly quit trying to be social attall. I went to college for 2 months and could not do it. I spent the whole day day dreaming about my interest, which was gaming. It sounds like im lazy.

What's keeping me from socialising? and from functioning normal? My bro was diagnosed with adhd as a kid and my mother was diagnosed as Borderline, yet all 3 of us are a family that lacks any social ability and im tired of the abundance of different personality disorders that describe me in so many different ways. ATM I am just really deppresed and unable to see a therapist until I enlist into the military. But Im trying to understand on my own whats exactlly wrong with me. So I can start to help myself.


I was 'badly' missdiagnosed, I know what the cause and the root of my problems is as I'm looking to see if it's ASD/ADD. I have asked the doctors to look, but I have found out through looking my self they usually know little to nothing about it, say no more than the common misconceptions of society.

My mother has been trying the route of the medical practicer and schools since I was 6 or even younger, now a 33 (i think, maybe I'm 34?) I feel the medical practice is generally incompetent at best, obstructive and arrogant at worst. I can do a lot better than that.



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25 Apr 2010, 2:51 am

JHenry2848 wrote:
I was just wondering what made some of you decide to try and diagnose yourself without the help of a docotr. Or why you felt you need to.
And why some of you cant see a doctor?

Im 19, out of work and leaving for the military pretty soon. Socially in my life I have never had any freinds besides 1 in elementary school and have always been extremely social awkward, saying thigns out of place and having problems paying attention to things that arent of my interests. I always desired to be popular and to have freinds and companionship, it has led me to attempting to fit in in any way possible for most of highschool and getting into alot of trouble because of it. As I got older I developed trouble even initating conversation and basiclly quit trying to be social attall. I went to college for 2 months and could not do it. I spent the whole day day dreaming about my interest, which was gaming. It sounds like im lazy.

What's keeping me from socialising? and from functioning normal? My bro was diagnosed with adhd as a kid and my mother was diagnosed as Borderline, yet all 3 of us are a family that lacks any social ability and im tired of the abundance of different personality disorders that describe me in so many different ways. ATM I am just really deppresed and unable to see a therapist until I enlist into the military. But Im trying to understand on my own whats exactlly wrong with me. So I can start to help myself.


To paraphrase an Elliot Smith song. "Spent a long time living with that. Never could give it a name. And when you don't know what you're. Looking at it makes it much harder to tame."

Curious why you chose military? I often relished the thought of proving to myself that I could accomplish the brutal physical burdens. But the close quarter and intimate socialization inherent to the lifestyle? Nightmarish.



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25 Apr 2010, 3:00 am

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JHenry2848 wrote:
I was just wondering what made some of you decide to try and diagnose yourself without the help of a docotr. Or why you felt you need to.
And why some of you cant see a doctor?

Im 19, out of work and leaving for the military pretty soon. Socially in my life I have never had any freinds besides 1 in elementary school and have always been extremely social awkward, saying thigns out of place and having problems paying attention to things that arent of my interests. I always desired to be popular and to have freinds and companionship, it has led me to attempting to fit in in any way possible for most of highschool and getting into alot of trouble because of it. As I got older I developed trouble even initating conversation and basiclly quit trying to be social attall. I went to college for 2 months and could not do it. I spent the whole day day dreaming about my interest, which was gaming. It sounds like im lazy.

What's keeping me from socialising? and from functioning normal? My bro was diagnosed with adhd as a kid and my mother was diagnosed as Borderline, yet all 3 of us are a family that lacks any social ability and im tired of the abundance of different personality disorders that describe me in so many different ways. ATM I am just really deppresed and unable to see a therapist until I enlist into the military. But Im trying to understand on my own whats exactlly wrong with me. So I can start to help myself.


To paraphrase an Elliot Smith song. "Spent a long time living with that. Never could give it a name. And when you don't know what you're. Looking at it makes it much harder to tame."

Curious why you chose military? I often relished the thought of proving to myself that I could accomplish the brutal physical burdens of the Navy. But the close quarter and intimate socialization inherent to the lifestyle? Nightmarish.


I'd love to see a doctor about it. But a Deep South general practioner probably wouldn't be much good. So then to a specialist. And funny as it sounds dealing socially with a doctor to 'prove' what my heart knows isn't a tasty endeavor. I've been on Paxil and a long affair with Effexor. They made me so lazy and sex so lousy I just quit cold turkey several times and dealt with the unpleasant 'brain surges' of withdrawal.

The only real benefit to a so called official diagnosis would be disability. I'm 32. Getting a tad old for school but I hope to go back soon. I can offer something to the world. That alone is frightening. But somehow a professional homebody from here on out is even more foreboding.



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25 Apr 2010, 10:47 am

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Never mind that I probably used to have the symptoms, but now I can bet that I won't be diagnosed because I have learnt to cope.


I think many of us who are into are late 20's on up have learned to cope with it in some way. And I think you also may be right that after so many years who is to say that any one of us would come back diagnosed with it. It's more about what we know in are hearts.



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25 Apr 2010, 11:19 am

I pass for normal but 'quirky', 'odd', 'excentric' etc when I'm out and about. That's the way its always been. My problems are mostly internal and become apparent to others only in close relationships, of which I have very few. Because I'm female, supposedly I'm more apt at mimicking and blending in (or so say the experts). Anyway, my point of all this is that I was still diagnosed. Admittedly, a regular psychologist would have ( and have in fact) said I had emotional problems or anxiety issues or even obsessive compulsive disorder. But since I went to an expert I was diagnosed.

I think if you manage to get someone who has experience in diagnosing adults, they'll be able to detect your compensating and pinpoint your problems. I guess they're typically hard to come by though, so I can see why s many are reluctant to seek diagnosis. Non-experts probably only recognize the steretypical cases of AS and autism.



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26 Apr 2010, 4:11 am

I have no insurance and not enough money to pay the fees for a private doctor to diagnose.

On another thread there were suggestions about contacting this agency and calling and doing a dozen things tirelessly to try to find a study or a loophole or force some way to get tested. I'd like to ask - why? It would be a nightmare for me to do all of that calling and contacting and talking to people and then actually go there and have to do through all the tests and talking all about myself - just trying to bring a doctor up to speed all about me - and for what?

If I get the big diagnosis, nothing in my life changes. Nothing. But if I were able to do all of that to move the mountain and show up and do all of the testing, then heck I wouldn't be half as Aspergers as I think I am.

Here's a question for you - do you have days when you're more social than others? I do. At times I feel well prepared, can dress adequately (plenty of prep time) and know what to expect or I am in a good mood or have plenty of support at the time or something, well rested - it all plays a part. And then I'm VERY social and come off really well. It's a limited Force Field and I cannot sustain the energy drain to keep it in place long but at times it's really good. Then I have to recover.

If something gets planned or scheduled and it's NOT a social day - what then? I actually hide. I dodge the phone, fake an illness, don't answer the door - you name it. I play it off later with many apologies and an explanation about some 'normal' illness like a migraine or food poisoning or a bad cold or something. Thankfully I don't know the same people for a real long time or they'd catch on. But I've been doing this all of my life.

Sometimes the really well planned out and looked forward to days are good social days, but most of the time I can't predict what will be a good one and what will be a terrible one.

The most recent was a very small deal - meeting a person I used to work with 9 years ago. We were friendly at the time but never kept in touch. She found me and asked me to lunch, I agreed, thought it would be very easy breezy and no big deal but I didn't sleep a bit the night before, was disoriented and exhausted and miserable by morning and had to face the facts that I couldn't deal with it - just simply couldn't bring myself to go. I emailed with a sudden illness excuse and she said she understood and we'll get together another time. Now I'm dreading that and there's no specific date set yet. :(

Do you have social days and then impossible days?


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26 Apr 2010, 5:52 am

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Let's face it, there are not physical tests that are done at this time to determine these things,which require a doctor to order and produce results that require a doctor to interpret.



Well, there may not be blood tests or DNA analysis, but there most certainly are tests to determine the level and style of neurological function. I was put through two full days of testing, both to rule out other pathologies and personality disorders and to determine how I processed data and stimuli. Then of course there was also extensive interviewing on my personal history and experience so that the Psychologist could get a picture of how I view the world and people and my attitudes about getting on with them.

It was a good deal more than 45 minutes and it had to be a licensed Psychologist with experience working with Autistic clients. My therapist was not authorized to give that diagnosis, although she was able to make an assessment and give a professional opinion. The process may differ from one country to another, but I wouldn't think it would be by much.

I agree that once familiar with the disorder, people with AS are generally speaking intelligent enough and usually stable enough to make a qualified determination whether or not they have it, probably more so than just about any other mental health issue besides depression. I brought it up to my therapist who had already noted my chronic depression and social anxieties in just a few visits, but after a few months, she told me "I don't know if I would have thought to look for that if you hadn't mentioned it, but I believe you're absolutely right".

I don't get enough in Disability to afford Health Insurance, but if someone hadn't written 'Asperger Syndrome' on that piece of paper, I'd be homeless right now, in spite of a 30 year career. Just because you don't need that DX today, doesn't mean you never will. Besides, not just one or two, but as many as five Mental Health professionals now have confirmed my suspicions, and I feel much better knowing that I'm not just being a Mental Health Hypochondriac imagining that I have something that I don't.



Every time they do tests like that I mean I find major sources of errors in them (It's relevant to my field to find sources of error in experiments and such). I'm not doubting you in any way. Some aspects of those tests can be very accurate, but then some can be very misleading because the researchers rely on heavy assumptions on how the brain works, many of which were formulated philosophically and from behavioral experiments rather than physical means.

For example, one of the tests administer may involve a section where the tester plays a tape of sentence and asks the person to repeat it back. The sentences get progressively longer until they reach a length that exceeds the auditory memory abilities of most individuals.

If a person does succeed in repeating back all of the sentences perfectly, then the tester often concludes that the person has strong auditory learning skills and so is an auditory learner.

However this is not always an accurate assumption because the test can't distinguish between memorizing the sound and comprehending what it means.

Many autistic individuals can repeat back long strings of words, with little, if any understanding of what the words actually mean. In fact, it is probably the fact that they do not automatically attempt to decode what the words actually means that allows them to do this, as it likely requires less brainpower, where the brains of those who can't help but to try to comprehend what the sound means must both try to comprehend and remember simultaneously, which is a task most are not capable of once the sentences exceed a certain length.