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Exclavius
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23 Jun 2010, 3:07 pm

Your friends look at it, and say "that's not you!" perhaps true...

But when you watch it, do you empathize with nearly everything he says or does?
Do you see yourself in him, even if in milder form?
Maybe the differences you see in him, are instead because you have created a coping mechanism for that aspect... but that aspect is still there, inside of you.

I doubt that many could watch the movie and see me.
However I watch the movie and i see the inner me.. the one that really is who i am...
the movie struck a very strong chord with me... and i would recommend it to anyone who needs to learn about ASD. But i would tell them before watching it that the star has every characteristic and is not illustrating the coping mechanisms that many (maybe including yourself) have developed to downplay them.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:58 pm

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As for why the girl was attracted to him, it seemed to me like she was using him for a rebound. She had just broken up with someone and was feeling lonely and unhappy. Then along came Adam who tried to be nice to her and cheer her up. So, she hooked up with him for a while, and then when she couldn't tolerate his AS traits any longer she kicked him to the curb.


Is that why she did it? Or is there another reason why she ditched him? It seemed to me as though her father was the more prejudice one and she initially went against him when he asked her to break up with Adam. I initially couldn't understand why she broke up with him at the end but it seems as there is an implication that got back together with her sending that book.


She dumped him because of his AS, that is perfectly clear. She didn't want to be as prejudiced as her father was, but ultimately she still decided to not be with Adam due to the AS.

For two reasons, firstly she couldn't take his general behavior, like how he had the meltdown due to her lying to him. Secondly, she didn't want to be his "caretaker," when he told her that he needed her to be with him to help him get along with the rest of the world. He also said he loved her, but that wasn't good enough for her apparently.

And the book at the end is ambiguous at best. She could've just been showing him that the idea he'd given her had come to fruition and fulfilled her dream of writing a children's book, as a way of saying "thanks for the inspiration." Or she could've been using it as a means of reestablishing contact, who can say really.


I think the issue about Adam telling Beth he loved her, is that he might of said it because he heard her saying that he never said it before while talking on the telephone with her mom. So, to her, it might not of seemed genuine. Do you remember that at that same point in the film, she was talking to her mom about that issue? I think the director of the movie was portraying something that I heard elsewhere about aspies in relationships, such as on the Internet, that we don't say those words as often as what NT's would to hear it. Although, I do think he did love her.

I went to see the movie with someone who used to be the head mistress of my old high school. Her interpretation of the part where she broke up with him at the end was that she wanted an equal and reciprocal relationship, not just a caretaking one. So, I do agree that she dumped him because she didn't want to be his caretaker. However, with regard to the book thing, my old headmistress also thought the title of the book had significance. The fact that at the end of the movie, she sent him the book with the title "Adam", could also indicate that she does indeed want to get back together with him. A further indicator may be that at that point, he was living independently and made it on his own for year, that the reason she broke up with in the first place is no longer an issue for her and she changed her mind, particularly after missing him.

I must say though, I wasn't completely satisfied that they did get back together. I'm just pointing out that there could be other interpretations.



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23 Jun 2010, 3:58 pm

Exclavius wrote:
Your friends look at it, and say "that's not you!" perhaps true...

But when you watch it, do you empathize with nearly everything he says or does?
Do you see yourself in him, even if in milder form?
Maybe the differences you see in him, are instead because you have created a coping mechanism for that aspect... but that aspect is still there, inside of you.

I doubt that many could watch the movie and see me.
However I watch the movie and i see the inner me.. the one that really is who i am...
the movie struck a very strong chord with me... and i would recommend it to anyone who needs to learn about ASD. But i would tell them before watching it that the star has every characteristic and is not illustrating the coping mechanisms that many (maybe including yourself) have developed to downplay them.


Yes, it is only my friends and family who don't see it, but nearly every trait he expressed is part me, much more so when I was younger. Adam is who I am on the inside. Only his lack of tact is unlike me. I used to make some pretty blunt statements, but I was usually aware that they were inappropriate and they were just meant to shock. But you're right, Exclavius, I developed coping mechanisms and I would be much more Adam today were I free to be.


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23 Jun 2010, 4:11 pm

dyingofpoetry wrote:
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Your friends look at it, and say "that's not you!" perhaps true...

But when you watch it, do you empathize with nearly everything he says or does?
Do you see yourself in him, even if in milder form?
Maybe the differences you see in him, are instead because you have created a coping mechanism for that aspect... but that aspect is still there, inside of you.

I doubt that many could watch the movie and see me.
However I watch the movie and i see the inner me.. the one that really is who i am...
the movie struck a very strong chord with me... and i would recommend it to anyone who needs to learn about ASD. But i would tell them before watching it that the star has every characteristic and is not illustrating the coping mechanisms that many (maybe including yourself) have developed to downplay them.


Yes, it is only my friends and family who don't see it, but nearly every trait he expressed is part me, much more so when I was younger. Adam is who I am on the inside. Only his lack of tact is unlike me. I used to make some pretty blunt statements, but I was usually aware that they were inappropriate and they were just meant to shock. But you're right, Exclavius, I developed coping mechanisms and I would be much more Adam today were I free to be.


The person I went to see the movie with, thought Adam portrayed me quite accurately. She used to be the head mistress from my old high school and went with her as an ex pupil. So, Adam may have portrayed me accurately as I was when I was still a teenager. I'm can cope more easily with those traits now but they are still there now although the evidence is probably more subtle to the people around me.



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23 Jun 2010, 4:14 pm

I love how he his freezer is stacked full of frozen macaroni. That's so me!! !



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23 Jun 2010, 4:15 pm

Jono wrote:
Variant wrote:
Jono wrote:
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As for why the girl was attracted to him, it seemed to me like she was using him for a rebound. She had just broken up with someone and was feeling lonely and unhappy. Then along came Adam who tried to be nice to her and cheer her up. So, she hooked up with him for a while, and then when she couldn't tolerate his AS traits any longer she kicked him to the curb.


Is that why she did it? Or is there another reason why she ditched him? It seemed to me as though her father was the more prejudice one and she initially went against him when he asked her to break up with Adam. I initially couldn't understand why she broke up with him at the end but it seems as there is an implication that got back together with her sending that book.


She dumped him because of his AS, that is perfectly clear. She didn't want to be as prejudiced as her father was, but ultimately she still decided to not be with Adam due to the AS.

For two reasons, firstly she couldn't take his general behavior, like how he had the meltdown due to her lying to him. Secondly, she didn't want to be his "caretaker," when he told her that he needed her to be with him to help him get along with the rest of the world. He also said he loved her, but that wasn't good enough for her apparently.

And the book at the end is ambiguous at best. She could've just been showing him that the idea he'd given her had come to fruition and fulfilled her dream of writing a children's book, as a way of saying "thanks for the inspiration." Or she could've been using it as a means of reestablishing contact, who can say really.


I think the issue about Adam telling Beth he loved her, is that he might of said it because he heard her saying that he never said it before while talking on the telephone with her mom. So, to her, it might not of seemed genuine. Do you remember that at that same point in the film, she was talking to her mom about that issue? I think the director of the movie was portraying something that I heard elsewhere about aspies in relationships, such as on the Internet, that we don't say those words as often as what NT's would to hear it. Although, I do think he did love her.

I went to see the movie with someone who used to be the head mistress of my old high school. Her interpretation of the part where she broke up with him at the end was that she wanted an equal and reciprocal relationship, not just a caretaking one. So, I do agree that she dumped him because she didn't want to be his caretaker. However, with regard to the book thing, my old headmistress also thought the title of the book had significance. The fact that at the end of the movie, she sent him the book with the title "Adam", could also indicate that she does indeed want to get back together with him. A further indicator may be that at that point, he was living independently and made it on his own for year, that the reason she broke up with in the first place is no longer an issue for her and she changed her mind, particularly after missing him.

I must say though, I wasn't completely satisfied that they did get back together. I'm just pointing out that there could be other interpretations.


Indeed, there could be other interpretations, and I don't mean to sound so negative about it. I quite enjoyed the movie despite being not entirely satisfied with the ending.

She very well could've thought that Adam just said that he loved her because her heard her talking about it. And I could understand someone not wanting to be in a relationship with someone if they thought the other person just wanted to be with them so that they'd have someone to take care of them.

However, I think she gave up too easily, like it was easier just to break up with Adam than really explore the issue fully. They had one short conversation about it, and I don't recall if she ever did apologize for calling him a child.


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23 Jun 2010, 4:36 pm

I loved the film! :D Is it available on DVD?


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23 Jun 2010, 8:00 pm

dyingofpoetry wrote:
Exclavius wrote:
Your friends look at it, and say "that's not you!" perhaps true...

But when you watch it, do you empathize with nearly everything he says or does?
Do you see yourself in him, even if in milder form?
Maybe the differences you see in him, are instead because you have created a coping mechanism for that aspect... but that aspect is still there, inside of you.

I doubt that many could watch the movie and see me.
However I watch the movie and i see the inner me.. the one that really is who i am...
the movie struck a very strong chord with me... and i would recommend it to anyone who needs to learn about ASD. But i would tell them before watching it that the star has every characteristic and is not illustrating the coping mechanisms that many (maybe including yourself) have developed to downplay them.


Yes, it is only my friends and family who don't see it, but nearly every trait he expressed is part me, much more so when I was younger. Adam is who I am on the inside. Only his lack of tact is unlike me. I used to make some pretty blunt statements, but I was usually aware that they were inappropriate and they were just meant to shock. But you're right, Exclavius, I developed coping mechanisms and I would be much more Adam today were I free to be.


This is off topic, but something you said made me say ... "WAIT!"
People used to tell me that things I said were only said to shock people, and that I should stop doing it.
They told it to me so often that I started believing it. Even today, I have a hard time getting over believing it. Getting over the things that ignorant NT's have told me over and over has been a issue in my life.

Once you did start believing that the blunt things you said were to shock people, then you might well have started saying things for that purpose. But it was NOT originally for that reason that you did it. Don't let their ignorance put you down that way. Just because A causes B doesn't mean that A was intended to cause B.



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23 Jun 2010, 8:54 pm

I cant find the movie in the Redbox or on Comcast but I'll find it eventually.


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23 Jun 2010, 9:40 pm

He's on the mild end of HFA as far as I can discern (AS, and high up in that he can form relations in person and work), and Rain Man is on the severe end of HFA (AD without MR).



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23 Jun 2010, 10:07 pm

Homer_Bob wrote:
I cant find the movie in the Redbox or on Comcast but I'll find it eventually.


Netflix has it.


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23 Jun 2010, 10:26 pm

also available on torrent.



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24 Jun 2010, 3:29 am

SpongeBobRocksMao wrote:
I loved the film! :D Is it available on DVD?

Yes.



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24 Jun 2010, 6:05 am

It was okay. Having a movie about Aspergers is a plus "for the cause".

Imagine if the aspie in the movie lived on welfare, ugly, and liked door knobs.

But nobody would be interested in that.

So, it's a pretty presentation and I thought it was okay for Hollywood.



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24 Jun 2010, 6:08 am

sounds good flims what is the Flime Adam about i gest autism!!



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24 Jun 2010, 8:20 am

I liked the movie, the ending left me confused a bit. The ending is open so anything could happen, but what is the relationship between Adam & Beth? Have they been in touch, will they get together? I must admit the ending gave me a bit of "aspies can't maintain relationships"-aftertaste, which can't be the intended effect.

I like to think they should have added a disclaimer for aspies about the ending, to clarify what happened.