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06 Jul 2010, 8:10 pm

I wonder if anyone ever takes a few minutes to think and and just let these kids talk.

I recall the Columbine shooting back in 1999 and only one person, Marilyn Manson in fact, said that he would've just listened to the two and allowed them to talk.

This is why bullying should not be tolerated at all.

When I was in school (my final year of middle school in fact), I was bullied and I had thoughts of death and violence. Did I act on those urges, no, because I'm not a violent person. I may have issues, but in no way am I violent person.



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06 Jul 2010, 8:39 pm

None of the text in the image has anything to do with AS or Autism. It only has to do with alerting adults when you see these patterns. I'm sure it is true that most of the time it's not a big deal, but it's that one that ends in violence and murder that makes it worth doing something, rather than nothing at all.

Ask the parents of every kid murdered at Virginia Tech, Columbine and parents of kids murdered during every other similar incident.

Kids and adults that think like this need help, regardless of whether they have or don't have some sort of disorder. It's just NOT healthy no matter how you cut it.


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06 Jul 2010, 8:54 pm

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Kids and adults that think like this need help, regardless of whether they have or don't have some sort of disorder. It's just NOT healthy no matter how you cut it.


I agree those people do need help but I think society is more likely to make the problems worse instead of actually helping em. If a person is angry/frustrated about being alone & misunderstood; having people avoid em or treating em like they are crazy will likely make that person's problems worse instead of helping. Unfortunately society has a tendency to treat people who are different as being horrible people so I highly doubt that the people having problems will get that help because people will more than likely be afraid of em & try to keep the person separated from society instead of actually helping that person


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06 Jul 2010, 9:13 pm

Technically I should be a killer too, but lets be honest, most of the killers DO fit that profile.

But just as many people fit it or more who aren't killers.



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06 Jul 2010, 9:19 pm

Heck I had violent thoughts in my teens because I was so frustrated with people and my family, I even wanted to hurt our family pet and talked about abusing him. I called the story "The Abusing Adventures of Squeaky."

We had a puppy named that and he caused more of my anxiety and I wanted to hurt him so I always talked about my fantasies about abusing him when I see my shrink. It was part of my rant and he said telling stories about it was better than me acting on them. I also talked about hurting people too but never actually did them.

I remember telling about this on a animal forum when I was 17 and the first time ever I was called a troll and back then I didn't even know what a troll was so I thought they were being stupid. But I wasn't upset then with that word because why get upset if I didn't understand the term? All I knew was a troll was something that lives under the bridge in the three billy goats book and there were toys called treasure trolls and they were also these ugly creatures. So I couldn't see the logic in me being as troll if I was human telling about my life. Now I think they called me it because they maybe thought I was trying to provoke them or something by telling a disturbing story. But yet they were still responding to me which didn't make any sense. If you think someone is a troll, why are you feeding them?

So I only met three in the criteria. Target for bullies, a loner and violent fantasies which could be seen as an obsession.



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06 Jul 2010, 9:19 pm

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Kids and adults that think like this need help, regardless of whether they have or don't have some sort of disorder. It's just NOT healthy no matter how you cut it.


I agree those people do need help but I think society is more likely to make the problems worse instead of actually helping em. If a person is angry/frustrated about being alone & misunderstood; having people avoid em or treating em like they are crazy will likely make that person's problems worse instead of helping. Unfortunately society has a tendency to treat people who are different as being horrible people so I highly doubt that the people having problems will get that help because people will more than likely be afraid of em & try to keep the person separated from society instead of actually helping that person


I sure hope you aren't suggesting that because society doesn't do as good a job as we'd probably like, that society do nothing at all.

So what's your solution? Surely it isn't doing nothing? I find that hard to believe. I know some of the "signs" listed aren't that uncommon, but when they are all put together, that should raise some eyebrows. Bullying begets bullying. Most bullies were bullied themselves at one time or another. The cycle needs to stop somewhere. So what do you do?

Well, you can't DO anything about anything unless that "something" can be identified. How would you propose that dangerous people be identified? These ARE the signs, or at least some of them, that something could be really wrong. I'd much rather see kids that regularly talk about killing people seeing a professional. I'm not all that thrilled with the world of Psychiatrics and Psychology. Quite a few doctors did a lousy job of messing up my family life for many years. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are some things we just should not, and cannot ignore. This is one of them. When this kind of thing is ignored, it ends in death more often than the vast majority of us even realize.

At the moment, I know of no better way of dealing with it than for people who show the signs in the poster to be seen professionally.

If you have a better idea, I'm listening. 8)


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06 Jul 2010, 9:27 pm

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All the more reason to come down hard on bullying developing a no tolerence policy of it at schools or work places. The bullies bring even more misery to a wider audiance when they make one of their victims snap and go on a killing spree. Sort of ripple effect. I would like to see the tormentors get some kind of punishment for setting everything in motion.


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06 Jul 2010, 9:32 pm

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I even wanted to hurt our family pet and talked about abusing him.


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06 Jul 2010, 9:33 pm

I scanned all the posts here so far to see if anyone had picked up on who the guy is in the poster. I don't think anyone mentioned it.

Cho Seung-hui murdered 33 people at Virginia Tech. He was Autistic. I presume that's why the OP posted the picture with the subject he did.

Still, I do think it is to the ad designer's credit that NO mention of his Autism is made anywhere on the poster.


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06 Jul 2010, 9:36 pm

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Kids and adults that think like this need help, regardless of whether they have or don't have some sort of disorder. It's just NOT healthy no matter how you cut it.


I agree those people do need help but I think society is more likely to make the problems worse instead of actually helping em. If a person is angry/frustrated about being alone & misunderstood; having people avoid em or treating em like they are crazy will likely make that person's problems worse instead of helping. Unfortunately society has a tendency to treat people who are different as being horrible people so I highly doubt that the people having problems will get that help because people will more than likely be afraid of em & try to keep the person separated from society instead of actually helping that person


I sure hope you aren't suggesting that because society doesn't do as good a job as we'd probably like, that society do nothing at all.

So what's your solution? Surely it isn't doing nothing? I find that hard to believe. I know some of the "signs" listed aren't that uncommon, but when they are all put together, that should raise some eyebrows. Bullying begets bullying. Most bullies were bullied themselves at one time or another. The cycle needs to stop somewhere. So what do you do?

Well, you can't DO anything about anything unless that "something" can be identified. How would you propose that dangerous people be identified? These ARE the signs, or at least some of them, that something could be really wrong. I'd much rather see kids that regularly talk about killing people seeing a professional. I'm not all that thrilled with the world of Psychiatrics and Psychology. Quite a few doctors did a lousy job of messing up my family life for many years. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are some things we just should not, and cannot ignore. This is one of them. When this kind of thing is ignored, it ends in death more often than the vast majority of us even realize.

At the moment, I know of no better way of dealing with it than for people who show the signs in the poster to be seen professionally.

If you have a better idea, I'm listening. 8)


I think maybe we are disagreeing about different things. I think society's whole approach needs to change. People with differences should be accepted instead of ridiculed or avoided. If those people would start feeling accepted instead of feared; they mite start feeling better. Also psychs may not help. The person could be put on meds that make their problems worse or go bankrupt from paying the bill. There also is a very bad stigma towards people with mental things & the stigma can be much worse than the disorder. Sometimes the stigma causes the mental problems; it did for me.


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06 Jul 2010, 10:33 pm

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Well this guy was dangerous anyway. He obviously had some other issues going on.



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06 Jul 2010, 10:36 pm

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All the more reason to come down hard on bullying developing a no tolerence policy of it at schools or work places. The bullies bring even more misery to a wider audiance when they make one of their victims snap and go on a killing spree. Sort of ripple effect. I would like to see the tormentors get some kind of punishment for setting everything in motion.


I completely agree. They are just as much at fault as the person who "snapped."


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07 Jul 2010, 12:56 am

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I wonder if anyone ever takes a few minutes to think and and just let these kids talk.

I recall the Columbine shooting back in 1999 and only one person, Marilyn Manson in fact, said that he would've just listened to the two and allowed them to talk.

This is why bullying should not be tolerated at all.

When I was in school (my final year of middle school in fact), I was bullied and I had thoughts of death and violence. Did I act on those urges, no, because I'm not a violent person. I may have issues, but in no way am I violent person.


I agree 100% with what you are saying.


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07 Jul 2010, 3:20 am

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Who wrote that? Let's teach them a lesson by blowing some s**t up... WITH GUNS! :lol: :roll:



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07 Jul 2010, 3:55 am

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I scanned all the posts here so far to see if anyone had picked up on who the guy is in the poster. I don't think anyone mentioned it.

Cho Seung-hui murdered 33 people at Virginia Tech. He was Autistic. I presume that's why the OP posted the picture with the subject he did.

Still, I do think it is to the ad designer's credit that NO mention of his Autism is made anywhere on the poster.


There were no need to mention his name, since it is IN the image itself.

We all have to look at the upper right corner and come to realization that this is coming out of the 'Seventeen' magazine. It's marketed toward the adolescence drama queens and the occasional boy-in-puberty-needs-fulfilling.

The NT's just want to be lazy by painting a broad brush to expose those of us that are socially deviant, to the point where they can criminalize us for being isolated from other people by choice.

Oh, HEY! I think I saw my principal AND my biggest bully in high school in the game, "GTA IV"..... *runs them over with a jacked car* Yay, now I am a criminal! :roll:



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07 Jul 2010, 4:02 am

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Cho Seung-hui murdered 33 people at Virginia Tech. He was Autistic. I presume that's why the OP posted the picture with the subject he did.


Cho Seung-hui was NOT autistic. There were false media reports that he was autistic.

"Immediately after the incident, reports carried speculation by family members in Korea that Cho was autistic.[33] However, no known record exists of Cho ever being diagnosed with autism,[34][35] nor could an autism diagnosis be verified with Cho's parents. The Virginia Tech Review Panel report dismissed an autism diagnosis[36][37] and experts later doubted the autism claim.[38]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

Virginia Tech specifically excluded autism as a cause for his poor social skills. http://www.governor.virginia.gov/TempCo ... CHOpdf.pdf

Robert Schum, a clinical psychologist and expert in selective mutism, was not at all surprised when the world finally heard Cho speak in a setting of his choosing, on the strange and violent tape he sent to NBC News. "He was not autistic. He clearly had the capability of talking to people," Schum said. "We saw that on the video." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 10_pf.html