"Are you going to kill everyone at school?"

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08 Jul 2010, 6:51 pm

I'm thought as a person who can do school shooting and sometimes I really dream about it :twisted:
But it's not America and gun is unavailable. And I don't have company. And it's pointless. And I have Mitleid for my lovely KMFDM (Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit - No Mercy For The Majority), they're good people. And I'm a peaceful person*, although I'm Rivetgoth. Throw away the guns and make love :heart:

I somebody ask me, I can quote Radiohead's song when I am king, you will be first against the wall (Paranoid Android). But people don't know songslyrics, so I reply Ofc. Would you like to be first?



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08 Jul 2010, 7:25 pm

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I always would tell people I would never believe in a god that accepted them as a follwer. If he accepting of you he has set the bar prretty low.


Wow. And the stereotype is that its the Christians who are intolerant and judgmental. 8O


I was just thinking the same thing.


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08 Jul 2010, 8:09 pm

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After all the persicution I recieved from so called "Christians", I never let it get in the way of my belief in God.


That's exactly how I feel.

I nearly did leave the church because of people like that--and they could be VICIOUS.

In the end, I came to realize that people's failures don't invalidate the core of the faith...it just means we're failing to live up to it. And part of my calling, I believe, is to be aware of this and help to heal this brokenness and to atone for how it has hurt others.


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08 Jul 2010, 10:07 pm

I remember one time someone asked me that. He was actually one of my bullies, though a lesser bully than some of the others I dealt with. I think he was genuinely worried about me shooting up the school. I was rather shocked that he asked me that but I just said no and we moved on. I'm so glad I'm not in school anymore....



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09 Jul 2010, 1:00 am

I got extremely angry while reading this thread.

People are such goddamn idiots. Seriously what a waste of organic material.



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09 Jul 2010, 2:32 am

The proper answer when asked that question is: "No, just the people that ask me stupid questions."

I have actually been asked this in a joking manner. I felt it was completely inappropriate, but then again, that teacher does those kinds of things more often.



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09 Jul 2010, 3:42 am

It'd be pretty damn hard to kill everyone at a school. Some geniuses there.

For a lone wolf, it'd be impossible with firearms. You'd need a synchronized detonation of numerous satchel charges hidden in each classroom to come even remotely close (dynamite will do), then you'd execute the survivors as they're in a bewildered state from class to class. It'd take a lot of effort to do such; figure one satchel charge made a week (includes satchel, frag, watch, firing mechanism and blasting cap), after experimenting with your homemade dynamite and blasting caps, in addition to various ways of reliably setting them off via a watch, for a few months.



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09 Jul 2010, 3:47 am

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Would that work, Danielismyname? :lol:



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09 Jul 2010, 4:06 am

No.

That's a 83mm SMAW. Whilst a single FTG or thermobaric round on a classroom will cause numerous casualties/fatalities, you'd need to carry far too many rounds for a single person (one per classroom), plus it'll be a slow process of plinking each room in unison (shoot, reload slowly, shoot, reload slowly, shoot, and so on). People will catch on soon enough and flee the scene (probably only after the first few rooms are hit).

I suppose you could go the chemical weapon route (a container per class), but I have no idea how hard it would be to make something like Sarin gas (I'm betting it's quite a touch harder than dynamite).



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09 Jul 2010, 4:11 am

I never got asked this question even if I was branded "psycho" during my early years of high school. I fantasised about it, and then Columbine happened. It seemed so weird that those boys did what I was thinking. I always thought of it as a thing that only loner males would be suspected of, but it appears some females in this thread so far have been subjected to the said quesion. I cannot think of any female school/campus shooters if any exist.



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09 Jul 2010, 4:47 am

blue_bean wrote:
I cannot think of any female school/campus shooters if any exist.


This is the problem - the thoughts are only translated into action in the minutest minority of people, and it is not clear at all what differentiates killers from fantasists. I have never seen any evidence that ASD is associated with violent acts. Fantasists are common. Murder and revenge is a normal thought that most people have, and possibly (almost definitely, judging by this thread!) something that people with ASD admit and vocalize more readily than other people. From discussions that I have had in the past (about my own thoughts), it is not normal to express these thoughts, and they do get taken seriously, which may put people with ASD at risk of being wrongly assessed as a threat.

I would hate for the vocal expression of murder fantasy to become established as an indicator within perpetrator risk profiling systems. Cases where police have used the expression of fantasy as expressions of intent are notoriously unjust, for instance Colin Stagg's conviction for the muder of Rachel Nickel: "He was acquitted when a judge threw out the case and criticised the police for running a “honey trap” operation. A female undercover officer had befriended Mr Stagg and encouraged him to talk about the killing and discuss violent sexual fantasies." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 523981.ece

And, of course, online posts of a concrete fantasy with details like the possession of a weapon and place are not cool: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 319053.stm



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09 Jul 2010, 4:52 am

Oh ya. Kids telling me I was going to go Columbine, go postal, go on a rampage, go (insert homicidal maniac or front page shooting spree here). I didn't know what to think of it back then so I just kept my mouth shut and went on about my business. Only recently did it hit me that keeping your poker face on during 8 classes is generally a bad idea, even if you have no such desires.



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09 Jul 2010, 4:54 am

When I got asked, my usual response was to give the person the "You are a moron" stare until they went away.
If I was bored, I'd answer either
"Yes"
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"No, just you and your friends"
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"Wouldn't you like to know?"


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09 Jul 2010, 5:12 am

StuartN wrote:
From discussions that I have had in the past (about my own thoughts), it is not normal to express these thoughts, and they do get taken seriously, which may put people with ASD at risk of being wrongly assessed as a threat.


We live in a time where even doodling violent imagery in a classroom warrants an arrest and felony charges. It's way beyond the point of someone with an ASD failing to censor themselves (or forgetting to if they've learnt how), as they aren't aware of what's socially appropriate or not.

And as usual, the bullying (no matter how minute) still goes on and on unchecked, as it's a part of normal social behaviour.



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09 Jul 2010, 5:35 am

Answer "Would you like me to? Do you really think that yourself or other people here have treated me so badly that I'd be willing to take the life of others as well as my own?"

Get them to admit guilt for their behaviour, without implicating yourself in any way.


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09 Jul 2010, 5:52 am

if i did not like mondays, then i think the best way would be to have some carbon dioxide canisters behind all the ceiling vents in the school.

a silent release of the gas would not be noticeable, and after the gas layer rose above the heads of all those in the buildings, they would yawn and become silly. then they would all choose to go to sleep. even the most suspicious and edgy teachers would cast caution to the wind and just "let their eyes rest for a moment".
then all would rest in peace without a clue that anything ever happened.

it would have to be done in winter though. that is when all windows would be closed.
winter mondays are the least savory of all.