Does anyone here read cards or believe in psychics?

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I'll never forgive Miss Cleo!

Seriously, I'm on the fence about tarot cards. Psychics, I've met 2 who were in my opinion very good, the rest were blatent cold readers.

The funny thing is, while my view of the universe is extremely rational, and logical, it also explains why things like this can work.

If the universe started from an action at a point in time, then due to physical laws, every action from there on is pre determined, and a result of that action. Basically, everything is part of a mathematical system. A fractal if you will.

The thing about fractals is, they're absolutely packed with similarites. You look at a part, and it's a reflection of the whole, or similar to other parts.

You look at a fractal on a computer, and you can zoom in (scale), look at 2 sperate parts (translate), or look at opposite parts of the same area (rotate). You look at the real world as a fractal, and you can see similarities after a lot more different transformations. Throw in the whole of consciousness and thought (real complex feedback systems), and it's own system of comparison and metaphor, and the universe becomes one incredibly complex fractal system.

After knowing all that, Tarot cards seem to make a lot more sense. After all, the way you shuffle them, is partly affected by what you're thinking about while suffling them, which is why I prefer someone to shuffle the cards themselves if I'm reading for them. They're also affected by every previous shuffling, just like the world is affected by previous events. Even if you sort them back into order, that act of bein shuffled will have affected their flexibility, or made other changes to them that will affect how they shuffle in future.

Also what's going on around you, and what you think, affects how you (or the client) translate the symbols. A reading is never static. I've had pretty much everyone say that around 70% of the spread seems to make some kind of sense. Other parts make more sense after some time, and the original meaning may change too.

Everything, no matter how small it is, will have a profound affect on this universe, as that tiny part is required for the rest to be as it is. That's why death and not knowing what happens after doesn't bother me so much. Someone may die, and who knows, that may be the end of it, and they don't have an immortal soul, but their very existence will dramatically affect the universe in the future, and to me, that is as good as any soul.

This isn't just limited to physical changes a person my affect, but also what affect they have on what people think. I'm very interested in collective unconscious. All that information and feeling that we're exposed to, communicate and process, yet are largely unaware of, because it's handled by part of our brains that do this in ways we're not even aware of. I see humanity as a whole having a mind, in exactly the same way as an individual human does. Why? Because when I look at a colony of ants, and see them all communicating using chemicals in the air, that's like how our cells communicate, but outside thier bodies. It makes the whole work like an individual organism. We do the same through the media, and a huge amount of that is subconsciously.

I don't even draw the line on the human unconscious. It's linked to every other animal, as we have enough similarities between each other for information to flow between the groups. Then there's the limits to what we may consider consciousness, due to our lifespans and limited experience. It's entirely possible that geological processes may be considered life, except we can't observe them long enough to see what actions are happening, or to see how the patterns progress. We do however interract with them, and they do affect us. We can't progress without them producing cetain materials that are used in our own progression.


I also look at psychics through a rational, logical method, and cannot disprove the possibility of it being a reality. When scientists put psychics in a scientific environment, test them, and find that they cannot do what they say they can, all the scientists are proving, is that psychics can't work in a scientific setting. The very nature of psychic ability, the ability to transmit thought or feeling, without physical act, is not understood. What should be pretty obvious though to a scientist, is that before they can make any tests, they have to isolate what is being tested from outside interferrence. If psychic transmission of information/emotion is not limited by distance, and is not part of the physical universe, then putting a psychic in a room with a test subject, is not isolating them from the sceptics amongst the testers (and other 'psychically linkd' persons of a similar view) who are aware of the experiment, who's thoughts may be affecting the outcome of the experiment.

There should be no experiments of this type, because they are bunk, not what is being tested. You can't isolate what you're testing, until you've done other experiments to help you understand how what you're testing may actually work.

What I do know about psychics is that their own thoughts and feelings about what they're doing can affect the outcome. When you're doing something that you cannot rationally explain, and it somehow keeps working, then you come to doubt the rest of the rational world. When you end up going nuts as a result, it can really mess with what your readings are, just as much as going the other way, and losing the ability through trying to rationalise it, and failing.

I've been studying and reading tarot for a few months. It's very interesting. The meanings and symbols in the cards are fascinating, and learning tarot is a lot like learning a langauge. I've learned a lot through my study and practice of tarot, perhaps more than I can really put into words. I only own a Rider Waite, and I actually like it best, but I'm thinking of maybe trying a Thoth deck, and maybe a traditional Marseilles deck.

I don't really know or care how it works, but it seems to. Whether it triggers purely psychological insights, subconscious influence, or if synchronicity or some woo woo universal force works upon them, I don't know. I found Polarity's views rather interesting. I'm pretty open minded. Some readings I've given have been very specific and accurate. Reading for myself can give some very fuzzy results though.

I find it an interesting and very useful way of interacting with people. For some reason a deck of cards seem to grant me some weird kind of dispensation to ignore a lot of the usual social barriers, and people really open up to it. A dull moment in a conversation can be enriched with a short tarot reading. And people seem to take my advice more readily when it comes with the added authority of a tarot reading. I don't know what that says about me or people. Basically, it seems like a good way for aspies to get some practice in social interaction.

Someone I did a reading for once said she was interested in tarot, but was worried about summoning the devil or something with them. I don't know where that idea comes from.

I've also got half a set of runes I began making in January, I'll probably finish them one day. A lot cruder than tarot, but maybe they will have a charm and use all of their own.

I've never seen anything to convince me that there's anything in these practices apart from psychology, but I like the Tarot decks and runes, and I'm drawn towards mystical things. I'm open to persuasion if anybody thinks they can demonstrate anything supernatural, and I'd like to spend a night in a haunted place. I'd love to meet a ghost or something, but I suppose I never shall.

Nearest I got to evidence recently was when I'd just found out that an old friend had died. I told somebody, and then told another friend who claims to be clairvoyant, amd she finished the sentence for me. So I asked how she could have possibly known that, and she said that she'd overheard me telling the first person. I'd assumed we'd been too far apart for anybody to pick out the words, but this clairvoyant lady seems to have hyperhearing, and a lot of other Aspie traits. Must say I was glad of her honesty - as I told her, if she'd lied and said she'd picked it up from the ether, I'd probably have been buying readings off her by now.

Tarot cards are nothing more then props. They're really no different then the glass ball. The reader is just doing a cold reading, or if it's someone they know, a hot reading.

With that said, I have a few decks. I found them useful for observing people's reactions and learning what certain facial expressions meant.

Ive played about with my tarot pack at times and found its very accurate when ive been "drawn" to give a reading. i just went looking for the pack i have as i cant remember what its called.. but cant find it right now. Its not like a classical tarot as the cards are completely different. (i gave my more classical kind of tarot cards away to my daughter). i dont particularly like psychic aids much eg cards or dowsing with a tool eg rod or pendulum (i can dose with my hands and fingers).

i went to clairvoyant classes for several years.. that is my worst psi skill (ive got psi skills in other areas some strong)..but from those classes i learnt a little how to give readings unaided and at times can pick up from it.. When i do that i just stand before someone..shut my eyes and just ask them if they would like a reading. When they say yes.. i use the sound of their voice to tune into their body and energy. I tend to pick up mostly throu knowing,..sometimes just feeling or at times i will hear like things in my head (spirit guidence on the person or their subconscious talking, i dont know which it is...its hard thou when i get information like that as usualy its just a word and then i have to try to work out what it means via what i feel is right).

ive had a serious illness for past 13 yrs so have given up all my psychic stuff i used to do. i still at times thou have psychic dealings.. (i had a run in with an entity critter a couple of days ago.. im not sure if it was a psychic attack on me eg sent.. or just one of the beings who feed on us at times, i have reason to suspect it was an attack).

At the clairvoyance classes, they were also mediumship classes.. so i have channeled spirtis at times (i wouldnt say im good at it thou but at times have managed it okay). i have also communicated with ones in other dimensions and on other planes of existance including my own family members who are deceased, i do that throu my astral body.

(im not sure if i should of said all this.. i dont want to stand out here.. but i want people to feel open sharing themselves with me if they wish.. are open to nearly everything due to my own varied and strange experiences). I taught a medium level meditation class and psychic class for about a year or so and studied various energy things under some of the most advanced teachers about the world. You guys and girls would know what it is like when one has something for a special interest

Ive mentioned more of what my special interests are on the following thread http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts117549-start90.html

I like things that are mystical, but not I don't believe any of them are possible.

Well, I'll go on the record to say, that I've had 2 tarot card readings in the last 14ys both had turned out fairly accuate but, I'm not saying all of that is seen in a deck of cards.Actually, my mom had once went to a psychic and had her fortune done which shall we say, was not very nice at all I'd rather not state any details of that only I've come to realise that yes, there is a world beyond our own though, any specific details of it I'm absesnt upon..
Lastly, I've had my own scenarios in my life which some would say is lucky but, I believe otherwise.. I'd really like to do a greater elaboration my experiences though, it would make me look even more weird so suffice say, life is stranger than you imagine..


Sincerely,
ProfessorX