professor Temple Grandin,

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I just don't know of any vegetarians or vegans that have actually done anything for the cattle that are going to be killed anyway...Sure, you don't participate in consuming animal products. I can dig it. Your lifestyle impresses me.
I must, however, protest against your accusations. What about the cattle that would be hung upside down in chains and pulleys and broken before they were killed if Temple Grandin hadn't improved the supposedly kosher facility? They would still be suffering. Her empathy for the cattle was constructively utilized.

She needs to promote vegetariam IN ADDITON to what she is already doing or just shut up about loving cattle.

All right. Fair enough. If you love people, you don't eat them. The same logic can be applied to non-human animals..

I don't like how she says we ought to "cure" LFAs and make them HFA. That's ridiculous; it's as bad as saying we ought to cure Aspies to make them normal. People ought to be the way they are, not the way somebody else is.

She knows a lot about prey, but doesn't get predators; she ought to stick with her livestock and not pretend she's got the inside scoop on cats and dogs, too, because she doesn't, really--she knows more about them than most NTs, but not as much as a cat- or dog-focused autistic does.

But other than that, she's pretty cool; I've read her books and admire the way she figured out her own adaptations; she seems to have an instinctive grasp of how to adjust her environment to match her thinking style, and not everybody has that talent.

Really, when I criticize Ms. Grandin, I hold her up to a much higher standard than most people simply because she's a middle-aged adult and a high-profile autistic; were she in her twenties and not so famous, I wouldn't have so many issues. It's more like "She should have learned this by now," rather than, "She sucks." Because she doesn't, really. As far as high-profile autistics go, she's done more to help than hurt, even for so-called "LFA" children, because she makes the point that even non-verbal kids and "severe" autistics can learn, and that makes people underestimate them less.

Make mine rare.

All of the things I eat were alive, all life is one.

The Temple view of the world is expressed. From the time only some of the different stood out. We have learned a lot more.

Do you dream in color? Most do not.

Can you convert a blueprint into the building described? Most can not.

Can you construct a thought into an image? Most can not.

Are you creative? Most are not.

Temple and I came up in a world with two kinds of people, The Perfect Created in God's Image, and the defective. All testing was done on the defective.

It was not till tests were run on the general population to establish a base line that the truth came out.

The largest image most can create in their mind is a fragment in black and white with fading edges, and it is short term. Most people's dreams fit this.

Even being trained as an Architect, and being trained to read blueprints, the ability to visulize is lacking, as shown by a lot of ugly buildings. Engineering the stresses, load, does not form a final product for most. Education can not replace talent.

Turning an idea into a mental model, a functioning one, has been shown in few people, and less that could then draw the image, so that others who could read plans, could build it.

Temple can see it as a cow does, and then can reduce what is to a blueprint. This is her talent, to see what changes to what is, can adapt the structure to working from the cow view.

It was people sided design, she looked at cow side input. People sided design was hard on cows and people.

The Model A Ford was a machine that was built tough. The front bumper was 3/8", a spring firmly attached to the frame, and the steering was a solid steel bar. Running into something, force was transmitted through the bumper, frame, steering, directly to the driver, who was then impaled through the chest by the steering wheel. The car was undamaged, and could go on to kill new owners.

Machine sided design gave way to cars that crush, drivers who live, and then buy a new car. That took sixty years.

Parts could be made, cars, and that was the end on most thinking, it worked. It took someone with a dynamic mind to envision what a crash was, how the forces were transmitted, and how most of the energy could be absorbed before reaching the people.

As that would take tooling, the answer was seat belts. now passengers held in place would have their upper bodies smashed into the solid steel of dashboards, steering wheels, and and it left neater crash deaths. Then padded steel dashes, steering wheels that were tubes, within tubes, and cross chest seat belts. It was much neater, for now they died of a broken neck. It was an "open casket" improvment.

Finally someone designed people sided cars, shock absorbing bumpers, no frame, crushable front end, an engine that would fold under the passengers, instead of in their laps, and air bags.

It did have a downside. The automobile had killed more people than all the wars, and now they lived and reproduced. About a million in the first twenty years, with reproduction, a billion in a hundred years, and who is going to feed them?

The only answer, all life is one, we must eat them. Out of fairness and equality, if life is goiing to be food, it should all be. If eating meat is not to your liking, the remains of humans, and there is a lot, should be fed to the plants, not pickled and planted below root depth.

Mixed with sewer sludge, they could give life to miles of plants. The idea that humans exist above and outside of life is killing the planet, an ultimate crime, then everything dies.

What we have discovered about thought is most can not. There is something going on, but they lack a clear and full color vision of the end results of their actions, and the results over generations.

This also applies to our laws, where Love Canal was because we will all be dead before it is discovered. Spraying Dioxin on roads, using lead in gas, it is the futures problem. I say we need to dig these people up and put them on trial!

As a second resort, we should have some Life Police, that look for long term planet killers.

Someone should speak up when the President says, "It was all legal," as AIG and Goldman Sachs loot the economy, and before investigation, The same guy does not want to talk about why 16 months of mandatory inspections and tests were not done on the BP rig. He broke Minerals Management into three groups, none who are charged with inspecting past performance.

Word only black and white minor vision people buy this, Those who think in color and images do not.

BP hired the local police to keep the news away from color images of the oil.

Temple Grandin was only pointing out the two views of life, and making some money bringing change.

She is famous because she started a lot of questions about the range of thought, and the manipulation of thought.

Cattle being slaughtered is a good model of workers and industry. How Governments work, and how manipulating the news, input, can lead the herd to their death. This visualization will continue to grow.

Her main discovery, all humans do not think alike, most have very limited perception.

The idea that most people don't dream in color is based on flawed research from a long time ago. Most people do dream in color, because most people see in color. The idea that we dream in black and white probably originally stems from black and white photos or black and white TV.

And, what do you know, here's a paper on it, and here's another paper.

As for why she is famous (in the autism world), it has a lot to do with time and place as well. She was among the first autistic people to write about their experiences in books. Nearly all of the earliest widely-published writers are famous, and both the more and less famous writers had a lot of challenges to common ideas about both autistic and non-autistic thought and perception.

I would balk at eating a human who died of natural causes, because I know that whatever pathogens can be harbored by a human can be harbored by another human. I would balk at eating any animal that died of natural causes.

I would balk at killing a human who wasn't sick, even for the purpose of prolonging another human's life.

I don't know enough to contribute significantly to the matter of whether vegetarianism is healthier, though I've heard the opposite.

An animal's life is worth more than my whims. An animal's life is worth more than moderate discomfort on my part. An animal's life is worth less than a human's. And it's better for an animal to die than for a human to seriously suffer

An animal's life is not worth more than the survival of the species-- and why would we not exterminate certain species if we weren't eating them? The lives of the animals it takes to feed Temple Grandin are worth less than the lives and welfare of those animals she can benefit... as long as she doesn't throw away her credibility by becoming just another crazy PETA activist. Not that that's how I think of vegetarians, but that's probably how the people she deals with do. If she agrees that eating meat is okay, that their entire livelihood shouldn't just disappear, it just needs a few tweaks... then she does more good than going crazy.

I MEAN HER VIEW ON AUTISM NOT WHAT SHE EATS. do you agree on the information she is giving. ( i put caps as in i said it loud to get people attention)

I think that she's a trailblazer and a great role model for all of us. She's paving the way for us, so that we can open the doors, in the future.

I disagree. Native Americans tend to have great respect for the animals they hunt--a respect that truly seems in certain cultures to be love and adoration. But I don't think the fact that they hunt undermines that love. Rather, it is deep gratitude for the life given for their nourishment. I don't see that kind of perspective as illegitimate at all. Not sure if that's how Dr. Grandin sees it at all, but it's a thought.

Overrated.

All I can say is good for her. I mean, she is without a doubt one of the best (if not THE best) role models for autism and her story is one of a kind, but not everyone is capable of shifting from a non-verbal autistic child to an autistic professor who made contributions to the livestock industry.

One doesn't need to get rid of meat in one's diet in order to promote humane treatment of animals...