Women who have aspergers: A non-issue for them
Having been single myself well past when I wanted to get married, I will say that "not wanting to be alone" is, by itself, a deterent to finding a relationship. Successful relationships are built between people who are comfortable with themselves and able to be alone, and not between people who are trying to fulfill a need by finding someone. Step one for me was, without a doubt, to stop living my life wishing someone else was in it; that wish alone made me less attractive. People who desperately want to be with someone else, not because of the person but because they want "someone," project a need that is very invasive and uncomfortable. Until you can learn how to be happy by yourself and for yourself, you are likely to continue to scaring people away with the sense of need they get from you. It took a little time for me to learn to just live for me, but it made a huge difference in all aspects of my life. And, funny how it happens, once I realized that I actually would be able to live a happy life if I never married, I met my husband.
Oh God...give me a break. Sounds like the load of b.s. well meaning people usually feed me... "it'll happen when you're not looking!! !!". Puh-leeze. OK I'll lie to myself and say Im happy being alone EVERY FUGGIN NIGHT staring at the wall.
Then a gorgeous women will land on my lap, right? Sure.
I am NOT FUGGIN HAPPY BEING ALONE and see no point LYING to myself about it, like you suggest. SORRY.
My boyfriend , Says it is confidence. Confidence reflects, he experienced the same thing, and felt the same loneliness. Once he found something he liked and became good at it, he began to feel confidence and he says that it changed everything for him. He says you wouldn't be able to see it now, but you will later.
I say, that you are so jaded from perusal, that it is not fun anymore and therefore that now shows. I agree with him. I had noone of importance for way too long and then I went to school to further myself. It took him a long time to get through to me, but he was very interested, so every time he saw me he said hi and was kind and funny and upbeat. Even as I ignored him, he just was kind and bounded off.
I had been going to a counselor and he said that people were probably interested in me, because I was pretty and intelligent, yet I just wasn't seeing it yet. So my awesome man kept saying hi and walking away without worries, until 6 months later, I was on the bus one day, and happened to be the perfect distance away, for my eyes to focus and see him right, "you probably know the blinder affect of aspergers", and I saw his amazing smile and laughed and said, omg, you are right there. So I happily pursued him back LOL.
Yet, still, everyone else I meet, talks to me for a few minutes and realizes that I am different and walks away. Even if they say hi later on, " you know the feeling, it is lonely" so I don't have any other personal friends at this moment, or for about 6 months.
So how you can deal is what is most important here. I hope you are able to let your kindness and gregariousness back into your heart, for then that will be who you attract later. Seriously best wishes.
Having been single myself well past when I wanted to get married, I will say that "not wanting to be alone" is, by itself, a deterent to finding a relationship. Successful relationships are built between people who are comfortable with themselves and able to be alone, and not between people who are trying to fulfill a need by finding someone. Step one for me was, without a doubt, to stop living my life wishing someone else was in it; that wish alone made me less attractive. People who desperately want to be with someone else, not because of the person but because they want "someone," project a need that is very invasive and uncomfortable. Until you can learn how to be happy by yourself and for yourself, you are likely to continue to scaring people away with the sense of need they get from you. It took a little time for me to learn to just live for me, but it made a huge difference in all aspects of my life. And, funny how it happens, once I realized that I actually would be able to live a happy life if I never married, I met my husband.
Oh God...give me a break. Sounds like the load of b.s. well meaning people usually feed me... "it'll happen when you're not looking!! !!". Puh-leeze. OK I'll lie to myself and say Im happy being alone EVERY FUGGIN NIGHT staring at the wall.
Then a gorgeous women will land on my lap, right? Sure.
I am NOT FUGGIN HAPPY BEING ALONE and see no point LYING to myself about it, like you suggest. SORRY.
i am not a woman with aspergers. what i am is a non-autistic woman who is partnered with an aspie man. granted, we didnt know he was an aspie man until this year, but weve been together 11 years. knowing he has aspergers, or even possibly classic autism, doesnt change who he is tho, and i was with him long before we had a name to put on his eccentricities.
what i see in your post is that you mention multiple times that you are handsome and in shape, and talk about women being attracted to your looks but drop you once they realize you are different. i once read another thread here on wrong planet from a woman having a hard time finding a male romantic partner. her situation was rather opposite yours as she did not consider herself attractive but did the makeup and clothing routine so many women do and was still having a difficult time finding someone to be with.
i think a lot of times it comes down to knowing your target audience. like writing a book or filming a movie, know who you are trying to attract. if you are relying on superficial means (outside appearances, looks, clothing, makeup, online pickup techniques, etc), then you will attract the superficial people. those are the people that arent going to like different or weird. they wont appreciate the person you are on the inside.
instead, try going where the "real" people are. poetry coffeehouses, book clubs, hobby groups, techie groups, etc. try finding people that are going to share your interests, or be accepting of different. try online dating sites, or personals. real women arent looking for a man to use a pickup line on them they got off the internet. they want a man who is going to accept them, warts and all.
i dont believe in "the one" when it comes to romantic relations. i do believe there are matches out there for everybody. its just a matter of finding them. but you have to make sure you are looking in the right places.
Yeah, but who is there to complain to? God? Women (they didn't make the rules, either)?
Much of life, and the more so the closer to the heart, is unfair. Those with lots of love are in the best position to get more. Those without are most likely to end up with more of that. It's like with money; if you've got a lot, it's easier to make more. If you're poor, it's hard to make even "enough." The world just generally rewards the 'winners' and punishes the 'losers.' A kid shortchanged due to abusive parents probably needs more love from the world, but in the long run they'll probably end up getting less.
It would be nice if people got what they wanted or needed, but that just isn't the way of the world. Most people will never have to realize this, as things will generally work out for them and those they see around them. They'll assume things just magically work out for everyone (hence the advice "don't worry, it'll happen eventually").
About the only positive thing I have to say is that friendship can be a lot deeper than typically advertised, and is underrated. And, I suppose, that it's not truly over until your the drop of good will is permanently gone.
My boyfriend , Says it is confidence. Confidence reflects, he experienced the same thing, and felt the same loneliness. Once he found something he liked and became good at it, he began to feel confidence and he says that it changed everything for him. He says you wouldn't be able to see it now, but you will later.
I say, that you are so jaded from perusal, that it is not fun anymore and therefore that now shows. I agree with him. I had noone of importance for way too long and then I went to school to further myself. It took him a long time to get through to me, but he was very interested, so every time he saw me he said hi and was kind and funny and upbeat. Even as I ignored him, he just was kind and bounded off.
I had been going to a counselor and he said that people were probably interested in me, because I was pretty and intelligent, yet I just wasn't seeing it yet. So my awesome man kept saying hi and walking away without worries, until 6 months later, I was on the bus one day, and happened to be the perfect distance away, for my eyes to focus and see him right, "you probably know the blinder affect of aspergers", and I saw his amazing smile and laughed and said, omg, you are right there. So I happily pursued him back LOL.
Yet, still, everyone else I meet, talks to me for a few minutes and realizes that I am different and walks away. Even if they say hi later on, " you know the feeling, it is lonely" so I don't have any other personal friends at this moment, or for about 6 months.
So how you can deal is what is most important here. I hope you are able to let your kindness and gregariousness back into your heart, for then that will be who you attract later. Seriously best wishes.
I have done everything in my power to "make up" for my social failings. I work out, wear nice clothes, and thankfully was born with a handsome face. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because in the end the short, fat bald guy with social skills will do better than me and get the woman.
Its hopeless.
I really disagree. I had to become happy with myself when I was NOT WITH ANYONE, and that is the way it HAS to be, for EVERYONE.
Are there men out there that will take advantage of an insecure and needy woman? Sure. But have you any idea what price she is likely to pay in that relationship? I highly doubt you want to be "them" in their relationships. Think your self-esteem is low now? Wait until you've spent 20 years with a controlling and emotionally abusive husband - I have a friend who is only now breaking free, and I've been working with her for TEN years on it. There a heck of a lot more in life than "being" with someone, just to be with someone.
I know what it takes to be in a relationship because I've still spent more of my adult life without one, than with one. I've dated jerks, and I've been alone. I've got the right man for me now, and the strange thing about meeting someone that is right for you is that all the social fumbles suddenly mean nothing, and he made a TON; he was, in fact, absolutely certain that I would say no to a second date, our first had been so ackward. But all that is, at this point in our lives, just cute stories. He still makes many social mistakes, but I know his heart, and I help him through.
One of the most akward men in my former church group, who was unattractive and overly needy to boot, is now married. It happens. It seems he finally decided to get on with living, instead of hitting on all of us without success.
I do remember everyone telling me the same thing I'm now telling you, when I was still single, and how difficult it seemed to implement that advice, and easy it seemed for them to say it, but it doesn't change the reality that it is exactly the advice most people need to hear.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Then a gorgeous women will land on my lap, right? Sure.
Not if you're at home staring at the wall, no. But if you are out in the world pursuing things that interest you and make you happy, maybe. There are no guarantees, but at least you'll be enjoying your life.
I hated the advice way back when, too. But I stayed single and unhappy until I figured out how to follow it. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
I have done everything in my power to "make up" for my social failings. I work out, wear nice clothes, and thankfully was born with a handsome face. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because in the end the short, fat bald guy with social skills will do better than me and get the woman.
Its hopeless.
Appearances may get you laid, but that isn't the same thing as a relationship - most men I know in relationships actually do care more than what women look like and I don't know many women who want a relationship where the only reason the guy keeps her around is because of her looks. You seem to think that by you having a nice looking appearance entitles you to a girlfriend - it doesn't. That fat, short guy who has a gorgeous girlfriend may share things in common with her, probably respects her and thinks of her as his equal instead of someone that he is entitled to have. Frankly, with your attitude towards women, it is easy to see why you are single - stop thinking you are entitled to someone's affection, and realise that women are humans too with our own desires and problems and faults.
I'm assuming that you are trolling as this is an obviously controversial post and you are a brand new member, however, it's a 4/10 troll at least so I'll bite. I'm a woman. I have aspergers.
In your post, which I assume is about the same length as most opening salvos in a 'pick up', you come across as arrogant, vain, and self-centered with a sense of entitlement that's out of all proportion.
How do you cope with the fact that you'll be alone the rest of your life? I'm having a hard time accepting. EVERY WOMAN treats me like I'm the plauge' and I'm so sick of it. They approach me because of my looks, flirt a little, then realize "oh hes different, I dont like him anymore".
I wonder if you have considered that it might not be the aspergers that women find off-putting?
As regards women with aspergers and dating: why would you assume that a woman's needs for privacy or difficulties in sustaining a relationship are any less? In fact, I'd go as far as to hypothesize that many women with apsergers find themselves extremely vulnerable to abusive relationships.
Of course, maybe you're not thinking about long term relationships but one night stands? I'm not even going to go into how vulnerable a woman with aspergers is on that front.

Not the only issue but by far the biggest one. I can live without many close friends, or any. But having noone to share my life with...I cant deal with that anymore.
Im just saying, women with aspergers, although they have things to deal with too, dont have to face going through life alone the way men do. There will always be a man waiting for them. Not so with aspie men.
Right - the biggest one - because problems with things like getting a job because you lack interpersonal skills which impedes your ability to be independent isn't an important issue, having trouble in school due to bullies, sensory issues, etc. aren't important either.
I've never had a relationship - now, granted I don't want one - but I am really sick of this assumption that Aspie women has some innate ability to have perfect love lives, have men flocking to them, know the rules of flirting etc.
You need to learn to be happy with yourself, and not expect some outside event to bring you happiness.
Its easy for someone to say "be happy with yourself" when they are with somneone already. Aspie women dont need to know any rules of flirting. You go out, look pretty, and men want to get to know you. Done. No offense but if you cant a man its another issue, like perhaps a weight problem. And its hard to feel sorry for people like that because you can control how you look, what you eat etc. but you cant control the way your brain works.
I have done everything in my power to "make up" for my social failings. I work out, wear nice clothes, and thankfully was born with a handsome face. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because in the end the short, fat bald guy with social skills will do better than me and get the woman.
Its hopeless.
You seem to have an obsession with appearances and an entitlement complex, which are traits of Narcissism. Counselling.
Dont think too hard, now. Again...blaming me, as if my negative feelings are causing my problems, not vice versa. I love people like you.
I have done everything in my power to "make up" for my social failings. I work out, wear nice clothes, and thankfully was born with a handsome face. Does any of this matter? Nope. Because in the end the short, fat bald guy with social skills will do better than me and get the woman.
Its hopeless.
I really disagree. I had to become happy with myself when I was NOT WITH ANYONE, and that is the way it HAS to be, for EVERYONE.
Are there men out there that will take advantage of an insecure and needy woman? Sure. But have you any idea what price she is likely to pay in that relationship? I highly doubt you want to be "them" in their relationships. Think your self-esteem is low now? Wait until you've spent 20 years with a controlling and emotionally abusive husband - I have a friend who is only now breaking free, and I've been working with her for TEN years on it. There a heck of a lot more in life than "being" with someone, just to be with someone.
I know what it takes to be in a relationship because I've still spent more of my adult life without one, than with one. I've dated jerks, and I've been alone. I've got the right man for me now, and the strange thing about meeting someone that is right for you is that all the social fumbles suddenly mean nothing, and he made a TON; he was, in fact, absolutely certain that I would say no to a second date, our first had been so ackward. But all that is, at this point in our lives, just cute stories. He still makes many social mistakes, but I know his heart, and I help him through.
One of the most akward men in my former church group, who was unattractive and overly needy to boot, is now married. It happens. It seems he finally decided to get on with living, instead of hitting on all of us without success.
I do remember everyone telling me the same thing I'm now telling you, when I was still single, and how difficult it seemed to implement that advice, and easy it seemed for them to say it, but it doesn't change the reality that it is exactly the advice most people need to hear.
You just make my point for me. Your friend spent 20 years with a jerkoff, meanwhile I am a good person, and alone. Am I supposed to feel sorry for an idiot woman who enjoys being abused while she would probably spit and ignore a good man like me (typical)?
Getting to know someone and successfully asking them out and having pleasant dating experiences is not rocket science, but - and I've been thinking about this a lot lately - this is one good reason for not diagnosing AS in children and young people. Once you become convinced of BS stereotypes like "Aspies can't flirt or ever know how to hookup or date and nobody will ever like them because they're different" it becomes self-fulfilling prophecy. But its pure BS.
I have dated like a rock star or pro athelete, been married 3 times, had as many live-in long terms and I'm a freaking POSTER BOY for AS. Most of the women I've dated, liked me BECAUSE I wasn't like the meatheads they were used to. So engage in a little homemade Behavior Therapy and get over that self-defeating mindset.
I agree with every word of this. I just thought I'd quote it so you would see it again.
I can say, as a woman, that this kind of attitude (that you, the OP has) is extremely unattractive. I don't think I could ever, ever be with someone who had the 'women have it easier' idea or uses the 'you have it easier than' thing. (When people say stuff like this in person I will argue them into the ground.)
There's obviously something about you that women don't like (or at least you feel that way). Saying girls have it easier than you will not make them like you more. You said yourself that you're attractive, so work on something else...personality, social skills. (Not changing your personality, but hopefully you get what I mean.) Others with AS (not just the women) have had plenty of relationships, so don't let AS stop you. If you think it's social skills, find ways to work on those. You probably need to see a psychologist or something, at least until they could help you find the ways to help yourself.
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After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
--Spock
See, if you'd have read my post, you'd already understand your problem. Allow me to quote myself:
[quote="johnnydangerous"]I am a handsome, in shape man who is 33 years old. But because I have aspergers, I am alone.
But if you're a pretty woman with aspergers, it just doesn't matter. In fact men might even like you MORE because of it.
seems kinda double standards that a pretty aspie girl has all the dates she likes but a handsome aspie male does not .. Something wrong with this picture , and its NOT being aspie either !
what i see in your post is that you mention multiple times that you are handsome and in shape, and talk about women being attracted to your looks but drop you once they realize you are different. i once read another thread here on wrong planet from a woman having a hard time finding a male romantic partner. her situation was rather opposite yours as she did not consider herself attractive but did the makeup and clothing routine so many women do and was still having a difficult time finding someone to be with.
i think a lot of times it comes down to knowing your target audience. like writing a book or filming a movie, know who you are trying to attract. if you are relying on superficial means (outside appearances, looks, clothing, makeup, online pickup techniques, etc), then you will attract the superficial people. those are the people that arent going to like different or weird. they wont appreciate the person you are on the inside.
instead, try going where the "real" people are. poetry coffeehouses, book clubs, hobby groups, techie groups, etc. try finding people that are going to share your interests, or be accepting of different. try online dating sites, or personals. real women arent looking for a man to use a pickup line on them they got off the internet. they want a man who is going to accept them, warts and all.
i dont believe in "the one" when it comes to romantic relations. i do believe there are matches out there for everybody. its just a matter of finding them. but you have to make sure you are looking in the right places.
You know Im tired of people like you saying I am "vain and self centered". You dont know me from a hole in the wall. Im as giving a person as you will ever meet. GOD FORBID I MENTION I AM NCIE LOOKING becuase then women like you will JUMP and say "OH SEE!! ! you're IN LOVE WITH YOURSELF!! !!"
I only mentioned it because I find it perplexing women wont give me a chance to show what I am really like. I DO NOT GO AROUND BRAGGING ABOUT HOW HOT I AM TO WOMEN so how exactly do women get the idea that I am "vain"?
PLEASE TELL ME HOW WOMEN WOULD THINK I AM VAIN, Id love to hear it, when I NEVER MENTION LOOKS AT ALL DURING DATES.
Is it a "magic intuition"? PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
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