repeadtedly doing things you know will have a bad outcome

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StuartN
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10 Aug 2010, 3:21 pm

DonDud wrote:
I've always felt uncomfortable with the phrase, "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result."


I hope my comment did not offend you - I wrote "Yes, but I suppose that you don't do the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome, you simply lack the planning skills and the awareness of outcome to manage the process" and I really do mean the opposite of stupid when I say that.

There is not an expectation of a different outcome, in fact there is no expectation at all in my case - I am kind of surprised, and very annoyed when I realise that I have ruined another item of clothing. There is a cognitive deficit of some kind going on in failing to plan or anticipate outcomes.

I think that if I had a name for this cognitive deficit, then I could find methods for coping with it.



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10 Aug 2010, 5:03 pm

I never heard that this was an autistic trait but it is one I suppose I am guilty of. In my case I think its just optimism/stubbornness. I might make the same mistake repeatedly because I haven't properly identified the origin of previous failures, instead blaming them on bad luck. For example yesterday I was playing a racing game that I hadn't touched for years, and lap after lap I went into the same corner at much too high a speed so that I drove off the track. Eventually I managed to get past this by taking it in first gear, but it took me a good half hour to work my way up to this solution. :lol:



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10 Aug 2010, 5:14 pm

I've also had this problem. I often ask myself why I do things that I know will have a bad outcome. I think I concluded there's almost a certain thrill to it, or maybe some sort of desire to see the bad outcome play out even though I don't think I want the bad outcome, per se. Almost sometimes like its easier to charge right into the oncoming train even though you see it coming, because somehow that's easier than changing course or running the other way.



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10 Aug 2010, 10:31 pm

DonDud wrote:
I've always felt uncomfortable with the phrase, "The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result." Afterall, sometimes I find myself doing this, but I know I'm not stupid. It's just, sometimes I can't help doing things that are below my intelligence. When I can sit and think about something, it's clear to me what's wrong with a certain action. But when doing, well, sometimes I'll fail in the "common sense" category.


I've also heard that as the definition of insanity. But I think it is referring more to someone making the same decision over and over. Not getting into a routinized pattern. When thinking about it, making a different choice is not the same thing.

(I always use the example of Trickle-Down economics. Didn't work for Reagan, why would it work now? Or the War on Drugs--another good example of the maxim.)



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11 Aug 2010, 10:28 am

I don't learn from experience so such things happen to me a lot. I know full well they will have a bad outcome but when I feel like doing them, I just follow this impulse. For example once I happened to flunk an exam. I was fully aware that I had to prepare for the retake or otherwise, if I didn't pass it, I would have to do it for the third time but this time I would have to pay a lot of money for taking it but I did NOTHING with this. I passively let the time fly until the date of my retake of the exam came. I was lucky because I managed to cheat (here cheating is NOTHING UNUSUAL) and I succeeeded. But if I were in a similar situation for the next time, I would most likely do the same thing - even knowing that I would regret my laziness before the very retake.



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11 Aug 2010, 11:03 am

I frequently "forget" to wait for hot food to cool before I try to eat it. I will know from touching it that the food will burn my mouth, yet I will still try to eat it, or I will set it down and wait for it to cool and try to try eat it when it is obviously still hot. I constantly have blisters on the top of my mouth because of this. Pain is an inadequate incentive for me to change my ways.