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13 Aug 2010, 7:50 am

ablomov wrote:

autist throws off people, aspi craves company.
autist pointlessly repeats, aspi can be capable of incredible invention.
autist ignorant of others, aspi acutely aware.

.. u need more??

You forgot that Aspies have no emotions, are more intelligent than a computer, can't smile at all, have no imagination, are misanthrope and very egocentric.

This was a sarcastic answer.

Autism is a spectrum, therefore are different degrees of Autism. Aspeger may have less problems in some areas because it is a high functionning form of autism but they still display the main characteristics of Autism.

We are indivuduals, no matter how autistic or neurotypical we are, we may share similarities with other people but we are also unique (which is the biggest similarity people have). Saying that "aspies are ..." and "autists are..." is just as stupid as claiming that once you have met someone who has dyslexia, you know everyone who has dyslexia though they are also different degrees in this disorder.

You really should accept the fact that you are on the autistic spectrum.

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13 Aug 2010, 10:12 am

Callista wrote:

Asexuality is one of many recognized sexual orientations, and covers a wide range of styles. Many asexuals prefer platonic romantic relationships to physically intimate ones; and these may identify as bi-asexual, hetero-asexual, homo-asexual, etc. Others are aromantic/asexual, and want only friendship, no romance. I am aromantic/asexual, but may one day be ready for a platonic relationship, no gender preference. At the moment I prefer to be alone. I have always known I did not want to have sex with anyone, that I wasn't attracted to anyone, though I didn't know what "asexual" meant until I encountered the term in my early twenties. I can see aesthetic beauty in both genders, and form friendships with both genders; but romance, especially the physical aspects of romance, seems pretty irrelevant to me. It means about as much to me as a hobby I have no interest in--say, bird-watching or hockey. It is neither a conscious choice nor "a measure of acceptance". I was simply born this way.

Thank you for your reply, Callista. You managed to cram a great deal of information into a relatively small number of sentences. I do not wish to hijack this thread, but I am very interested in your asexuality. Would you mind at all if I sent you a PM sometime with questions?

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13 Aug 2010, 10:13 am

ablomov wrote:

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autist ignorant of others, aspi acutely aware.

My autist daughter is probably more acutely aware of people than you are. Her awareness of other people is so acute and intense that it actually causes her focus problems quite often.

You are just spitting out stereotypes.

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13 Aug 2010, 5:26 pm

fck trolls you silly twerp.

get real, your thinking is clouded.

...why??

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14 Aug 2010, 1:15 am

ablomov wrote:

fck trolls you silly twerp.

get real, your thinking is clouded.

...why??

True.

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14 Aug 2010, 4:00 am

ablomov wrote:

fck trolls you silly twerp.

get real, your thinking is clouded.

...why??

I don't understand what you mean by "get real" though I understand why you don't like being called a troll since you have post enough messages to be a normal member and not someone new who has decided to troll.

Why don't you give us more arguments to explain your point of view on Autism vs Aspeger ? It won't change the fact that it's scientifically a milder form of Autism and that people who have Aspeger have more chances of having an autistic child than NTs (though it seems that Aspies are not uncommon in families with history of leanring disability but they tend to overlap and share similarities with Autism).

By the way : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/healt ... .html?_r=1

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29 Oct 2010, 8:19 am

The American Psychiatric Association plans to do away with the label Asperger’s Syndrome and call Aspies “High Functioning Autistics” in their next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Why? …BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE experts say, as a label, Aspergers Syndrome is VAGUE and CONFUSING. But yet an article published in the New York Times on November 2, 2009 by Claudia Wallis entitled, “A Powerful Identity, a Vanishing Diagnosis” states,

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Who thinks the above information about the genetic markers should be ignored? Those who want to think that Aspergers is a form of autism.

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29 Oct 2010, 8:47 am

faithfilly wrote:

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Who thinks the above information about the genetic markers should be ignored? Those who want to think that Aspergers is a form of autism.

From tis article:

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The proposed elimination of autism subtypes comes at the very moment when research suggests that the disorder may have scores of varieties. Investigators have already identified more than a dozen gene patterns associated with autism, but Dr. Lord, of Michigan, said the genetic markers “don’t seem to map at all into what people currently call Asperger’s or P.D.D.”

Nor have many of these genes been linked to distinct sets of symptoms. Until research can identify reliable biological markers for autism subtypes, Dr. Lord and other experts say, it is better to have no subtypes than the wrong ones.

[bold mine]

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29 Oct 2010, 8:52 am

TPE2 wrote:

faithfilly wrote:

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Who thinks the above information about the genetic markers should be ignored? Those who want to think that Aspergers is a form of autism.

From tis article:

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[bold mine]

Aw crap. See what happens when you quote things with full context.

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29 Oct 2010, 9:05 am

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but is thihink he mith t be riget

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29 Oct 2010, 9:13 am

I think getting rid of Asperger's as a disorder in DSM makes sense, not because aspies aren't a distinct category. Rather, Asperger's isn't distinctly different from autism as a disorder. Homosexuality was removed from DSM because it's not considered a disorder. Doesn't make homosexuality less real. To belong in the DSM, Asperger's needs to both be a disorder, not simply a difference, and be distinct from autism. And I don't think we currently have any ways to define Asperger's that meet both of those.

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31 Oct 2010, 3:17 pm

Disorder is a subjective term. To me, neurotypical brains are disordered. I'm not the only one who thinks so either.

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31 Oct 2010, 3:27 pm

ablomov wrote:

i would just like to say that i think this merge of aspi with autist is in my opinion utter BS.

totally and utterly misguided. will cause nothing but upset. simple fact.

I think it will make it easier for parents. Why would it cause upset? Why is it such a big deal?

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01 Nov 2010, 9:48 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

ablomov wrote:

i would just like to say that i think this merge of aspi with autist is in my opinion utter BS.

totally and utterly misguided. will cause nothing but upset. simple fact.

I think it will make it easier for parents. Why would it cause upset? Why is it such a big deal?

The fact that most people can't see what's the big deal about merging the two together is all the more evidence of what's wrong about it.

It might be too difficult to explain to most people because this issue is unique from anything else that's ever entered into the study of human behavior.

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01 Nov 2010, 10:18 am

faithfilly wrote:

The fact that most people can't see what's the big deal about merging the two together is all the more evidence of what's wrong about it.

Huh? That's just wack-a-doodle.

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It might be too difficult to explain to most people because this issue is unique from anything else that's ever entered into the study of human behavior.

There is a logical fallacy in play here. I can't recall which one, but you are essentially requiring one to have special knowledge to understand your point of view.

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07 Nov 2010, 7:12 am

From the website for Education Resources Information Center, something in the abstract from Pragmatic Inferences in High-Functioning Adults with Autism and Asperger Syndrome caught my attention. The research article claims that the researchers were able to investigate differences between high-functioning adults with autistic disorder and Asperger syndrome. How did they know which people in their studies were the high-functioning autistics compared to those matching Asperger syndrome? Here are some of their words:

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We carried out a behavioral study on high-functioning adults with autistic disorder ( n = 11 ) and Asperger syndrome ( n = 17 ) and matched controls ( n = 28 ) to investigate whether they are capable of deriving
scalar implicatures, which are generally considered to be pragmatic inferences.

The present findings indicate that the combined ASD group was just as likely as controls to derive scalar implicatures, yet there was a difference between participants with autistic disorder and Asperger syndrome, suggesting a potential differentiation between these disorders in pragmatic reasoning. Moreover, our results suggest that verbal intelligence is a constraint for task performance in autistic disorder but not in Asperger syndrome.

My point is that they were able to detect differences between Aspies and auties. Those who can’t discern the differences between those in each category are the ones responsible for complicating and drowning out the results from studies done by those who can (and can do it without even needing to see the genetic differences!).

Here is a comment someone else added to the above:

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I cannot believee this…. its screamingly obvious to all including a plank of wood, the huge wide gulf / chasm that exists and will always be there betwixt aspi n autist .. you have my permission to print this to those crazy folk on WP.

I won't go so far as to call those who believe differently crazy. I'm sure opponents to this issue view people like me and the commenter as being crazy. What's crazy is when you get personally attacked for not seeing things the way some other individuals do.

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