Proposed evolutionary origins of Autism

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rdos
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10 Jul 2005, 2:30 am

I guess some Aspies would, but I really doubt they could damage the results much.

First, I check where people come from. If somebody calculates the score many times,
I'll delete any copies. This will require manipulators to take it from different IP addresses,
which is quite hard to do.

Second, you are unlikely to find where the link is at, because you don't have my statistics ;-)

Third, there are always Aspies at various sites, so I never expect 0% Aspies.

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10 Jul 2005, 9:01 am

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10 Jul 2005, 10:04 am

Sophist wrote:
Neandertals have gotten a bad wrap, too. They weren't stupid. They weren't particularly ugly. They are only presented in such a way because the first skeleton found was of a really old man Neandertal who was decrepit and had had various illnesses and thus was, erm, a lot uglier needless to say.

Between Neandertals and Homo sapiens, there are more similarities than differences. But the differences are extreme enough to note them as a different species, generally speaking.

Nevertheless, as was said earlier, DNA testing is leaning towards humans and Neandertals having not interbred. Autism is a human condition and probably of more recent development. I suspect many autistic individuals (especially the lower-functioning ones) would have died out because of having to try to survive, if indeed Autism developed so early in our history. I mean, yes, humans tried to take care of the young, old, and infirmed. But I can't imagine they would be very successful with the severely autistic.

My bet is Autism Spectrum Disorders arose within the last couple thousand years. And then just spread through the populations. But that's only me guessing of course.
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01 Jun 2006, 6:38 pm

Who wrote this??

Do you ever get junk mail ads where they promise you $5000 per week and nothing is spelled right? Don't forget grammatical errors.

Look closely and you'll find that this author did not use spell check LOLOLOLOL!! !!

What is the author insinuating?

It's insulting that someone who can't even check his grammar is implying that aspies are of a human race whose genes were to have been "excluded from our gene-pool".



Article: "The only isolated population in recent times, that had been isolated for a long time, was Neanderthals. Closer study of them revealed that anthropology wanted to make sure to exclude them from our gene-pool. However, the reason for this is obscure. "



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02 Jun 2006, 12:43 am

I noticed oddly repetitive spelling and grammatical errors all through the article as well. Almost seemed to follow a pattern. Of course, maybe I only thought so because I'm an unwashed, redheaded, left-handed, neanderthal, aspie. Very strange article.



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02 Jun 2006, 3:56 pm

I wanted to make a formal apology for my previous post on this thread to the author. Looking back on it, I was probably afraid of some of the things I was reading. I think I felt threatened by the possibility of others, specifically NTs, having another name to label me for their amusement.



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02 Jun 2006, 5:47 pm

well even if this article is true .... i feel no shame if autism is related to Neanderthal genes ....somehow...



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02 Jun 2006, 6:07 pm

summer wrote:
Who wrote this??

Do you ever get junk mail ads where they promise you $5000 per week and nothing is spelled right? Don't forget grammatical errors.

Look closely and you'll find that this author did not use spell check LOLOLOLOL!! !!

What is the author insinuating?

It's insulting that someone who can't even check his grammar is implying that aspies are of a human race whose genes were to have been "excluded from our gene-pool".


This actually looks like someone's graduate thesis. As such, I wouldn't put much weight on it. A doctoral thesis would be put together a bit better. The original copy would have come off their home printer and been turned in, so it's unlikely the author was the one who put it on the net. If that's the case, then someone may have transcribed it. In which case, the speliing errors were probably not from the original author.



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02 Jun 2006, 10:21 pm

I should apologize for criticizing the spelling and grammar too. The content is what was important, and it was rather interesting in a strange sort of way. I'm going to go hit rocks together now.



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09 Jun 2006, 6:10 am

The theory is no thesis or anything like that. I invented it, and everything there is "original research" done by me. Certainly, many people in the autistic community have influenced my thinking, but most of the theory stems from personal experiences. It shouldn't be too strange if it contains spelling errors and gramatical errors, because my native language is not english, and I'm slightly dyslectic.



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09 Jun 2006, 2:31 pm

^^ wait a second ..... u r saying that u r not a scientist ??!
HA! then ur theory is based on nothing!



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09 Jun 2006, 2:46 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ wait a second ..... u r saying that u r not a scientist ??!
HA! then your theory is based on nothing!


Well, for his experience and language difficulties, it was very well put together.



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09 Jun 2006, 3:10 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ wait a second ..... u r saying that u r not a scientist ??!
HA! then your theory is based on nothing!


Interesting attitude. I don't think I need to say anything more. I can just point you to all the "professional" autism theories that have been put together by "scientists" and that lack every kind of coherence and consistence.



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12 Jun 2006, 1:45 pm

I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.



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04 Jan 2008, 4:30 pm

rdos wrote:
First - Aspies are not inferior because of neanderthal inheritance because neanderthals were not inferior. It is not necesarily true that the smartest "species" survives as they mix in a novel habitat. It could just as well be the species that reproduces most, doesn't care about ecology (lots of extinctions in the back-waters of Hs "colonization).

As for mtDNA, it is one haplotype, and doesn't say much if anything about the rest of the genome. The mtDNA might be under selective pressure too.



Right RDOS! Neanderthals were not inferior, only maybe in tenacity for breeding large populations.

It's sick how much of that article relates to the characteristics of both me and my 5 year old son.

Science, as per the status quo, is steeped in as much dogma as religions. There are so many peers that are hard to sway with new evidence or theories. Just remember how long it took for Homo Florensis to be accepted as a hobbit sized human. I think the Neanderthal genome project will open up many questions that will quickly deliver answers.

BTW - I started blonde, but my hair by 11 was about the same color as the Neanderthal child in the pic. My eyes are a chameleonic gray-green-blue. I'm not as fair as some, but had I avoided sun all my life I would have been (my skin under clothes rapidly returns to milky pink). I have a slightly sloping chin, and somewhat of a John C. Reilly, Matt Damon, divided crested brow.



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06 Jan 2008, 10:40 am

I love this paper.

I keep reading it over again. I hope to find more research or articles from you.




PS, Can the moderator of this thread email me please to remove a previous post of mine.
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