The test of the passive eye

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I don't know whether or not amblyopia and strambismus (sp?) are what you speak of, but I've been diagnosed with the pair since I was about 2 or 3. It's only over the course of the last 4 years that my eye really seems to be a little bit of a pest, causing me to see doubles, neither aligned with the other and it's my left eye that is turned closer to my nose.

However, a friend of mine let me try on one of her contacts and with those lenses, the doubles actually became perfectly aligned- like they were before my glasses broke about 5 years ago. Though I also have had other prescriptions since then, it seems like the information in the left eye slowly has become more ignored as it brings up the issue of doubles the most to the point where an eyepatch is sounding a little tempting. I also wish to add the disclaimer that we are only sharing a set of contacts for a cosplay and they're not touching the other person's eyes.

Edit: The symetric thing is not working but the difference of angle yes.

I finally found what I didn't see among those supposed out of the spectrum.

Peculiarities of the passive eye among persons on the spectrum.
-More obtuse in the corner near the nose. The corner place is opened instead of being normally closed.

- less symmetry between the circumference of the top (orange) and the circumference of the bottom (yellow) on the opposite part of the "passive" eye.


I took two groups, A (AS) and B (those supposed out of the spectrum),
I have chooses the "passive" eye of the group A and the one who looked like most in the group B.
I divided the eyes into two to stick on every part its image mirror, and so to find a complete eye.


A (AS) on the left of the two pictures, B on the right of the two pictures.
The part closest to the nose : The other part :

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ASdogGeek : the result looks like the group A


lostD : the same

Ilan, if you plan on bringing this to full research mode, I suggest you look into CV algorithms to extract data, specifically the DCT. This won't be able to adjust for the critically important angular offset of the direct center of the face away from the camera exposure plane, but if you can control for that, you could come up with good numbers, and perhaps even a discovery algorithm. A quick and cheap diagnostic procedure for autism would be sweet! (PM me if you'd like more info.)

Have you looked at other videos with people who have another disorder (NLD, dys-lexia/calculia/praxia, ADHD) too see whether non autistic people had this characteristic (since they are not really "NT" either) ?

Well, my right eye is a lot droopier although I've been told by an optometrist that my left eye is my dominant eye. I also had amblyopia diagnosed in my right eye when was was 5. The corner of my eye is open and the difference between my upper and lower rim is asymmetrical, but not by much.
What really interests me about this is why do you think this would be?

It can effectively confuse so I will replace "NT" by "supposed out of the spectrum".
I don't try with NLD, dys-lexia/calculia/praxia, ADHD, it could be interesting but i finish this one before.


I compare a lot of persons and i came to that result

It seems to work very well so i decided to try a little experience : here

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My eyes.
I can't tell about the passive thing.

I have Amblyopia and my dominant eye is right eye.

The muscles in the entire right side of my face are much less active than the left. It tends to give me a o.O look XD;

*shall edit in a picture after 5 days lol*

;___;

My mom says that you can tell I am autistic from some of my childhood portraits because of my expression "fake smile". But with the crap the school photographers gave me about how to sit and when they kept fussing with my hair (they learned really quick not to even think about that because strangers touching me made me have meltdowns), it's all I had in me to even fake a smile. I eventualy stopped smiling alltogether because my parents always complained about my "fake smiles" and my brothers never smiled in their Navy portraits so I figured you weren't breaking some sort of universal law if you did not smilie in pictures. Why do people insist one smiles for pictures anyway? But my mom also says you could tell I was autistic in my pictures because I had an "off" look in my eyes.

I'm sure you must realize that no human face is symmetrical, but do you also know that you must consider may faces of people with no disorders, as well as other disorders? Then you compare the percentages. But if you really want it to be valid by study standards, whoever is picking the faces with "passive eye," CANNOT know which subjects are from which group. Otherwise you risk subconscious bias.

Even the best researchers have a tendency to find what they want to find. This is why the "double blind" approach was developed. To avoid that possibility.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... nd%20study

They are generally used for drug studies, but this isn't a bad thing to use it for either. I realize it's all informal what you're doing, but the truth is, informal studies don't often reveal anything very useful unless good practice is used. The easiest way to do yours as a double blind is to have someone else collect the photos, and categorize them, assigning numbers to each subject. The numbers can be correlated to a chart showing whether that "number" is normal, or ASD. You aren't allowed to see the chart until after you look at all the photos and determine which have passive eyes, and which don't. Once you've done that, then you can look to see what percentage of each is which.

But there's still a problem with that. You may be biased in what you consider to be a passive eye. I might look at the same photos and see more, or less passive eyes than you do.

Just some things to think about. I'm not meaning to squash your creative thinking. The truth is though, if you walk into something like this saying, "I think I might find thus and such." Then you look for "thus and such," but don't put any controls in place, you are highly likely to find exactly what you're looking for, whether it is really there or not.

Aspie eyes video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGhDPhaRrc&feature=fvw
Might be helpful.

I totaly agree with all you said, I can assure you that i spend hours and hours before give you that result, i continue to test that thing and it works very well. I will open a new topics with easier explanation. I know it's difficult to understand but after compare hundreds of people i can assure there are a clear difference between eyes of autistics person and the others. You will better understand what i call the "passive" eye later.


jmnixon95:
It looks like the A group. (passive eye to the left of the picture)

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Hmm. I will have to try this. My left eye is smaller than my right.

It is not a difference of size but angle