Could Aspergers Be A Positive Evolutionary Trend?

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No shout out for Broader Autism Phenotype?!? That's ok. I'll get my warm fuzzies elsewhere.

Got one an we (both PDD) are doing our darndest
But we may have to look into other sprem so uh, yeah boys if this interests you feel free to message me. We want lots of babies - even if the NT's take them away we are determined to breed as many as we can Not only do we love children and see PDD as a positive evolutionary trend but we take reassurance that our carreer choice will cost the system a lot of money and being somewhat disident we find this comforting.

ninszot, NTs who are carriers of the Aspie genes don't make hybrids. My parents are both NTs (I think), and I'm the archetype for Aspie.

No, not a true hybrids, I use that loosly the same way many jurisdictions consider wolf - dogs to be hybrids

Still I think NTs are gross and am reassured that our genetic is dominant .

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fact: the average IQ for aspies is about the as that for NTs (thanks to the IQ requirement for AS, if not then it would be a few points lower).

fact: the average aspie does not have any savant skills, nor is he/she gifted or a genius. The distribution might be different with more extremal IQ values.

Opinion: Believing that we are so much smarter than those 'stupid NTs' is ignorant. I'd argue that an NT with an IQ of XXX would be 'smarter' and more accomplished than an aspie with the same IQ.

fact: IQ is not everything. Social skills (believe it or not) ,empathy, non-verbal communication, improvisation, common sense etc. is just as important (if not more important). A society where everyone is an expert in one area and suck at everything else, yet doesen't want to use the expertise of others would not work.

fact: about 70-80% of all aspies are unemployed. We also tend to chose 'aspie-professions'. There would be 'no' doctors, service workers or leaders in an aspie society.

opinion: the negative aspects of AS/autism outweigh the positives by far. Some of us may have skills/ways of thinking that is a great asset to NT thinking.

fact: NTs are brilliant at structuring,running and organizing society. It's simply amazing.

fact: behind todays successfull aspies there are often a team of psychiatrists, economical support (before that person became successfull), parents (many aspies live at home till they are 30), social workers etc. In an aspie world or simply a society with (alot) more aspies, where would the support come from? Sorry fellow aspies, but I don't like to sugar coat things.

assumption: overpopulation wouldn't be a problem (but humankind could die out). There would be less crime and pollution. If we managed to create an organized society, it would most likely follow a socio-democratic,teknocratic og meritocratic model . Deathrate would be higher (percentwise).


conclusion: no it would not be a positive evolutionary trend.

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Maybe. I do think the world would be a better place if more people were autistic. Being autistic is usually associated with rational thinking, which would be a step up I should think. But what would be the consequences? I think that the world would have to operate a lot differently than it is now. I don't think autistics are going to dominate the world anytime soon-- unfortunately they're not often the most desirable mate.

Went to an aspie support meeting yesterday.

Dont expect that lot to rule the world in a hurry...

World domination anytime soon, no
However we will corupt their genes, and already have. Over thousands of generations our dominant mutations will work their way through human DNA - what we call neuro typical will become something different. Evolution takes a long time. many autistisc are examples of the less successful gene combinations which will not be passed on, but the successful ones - who develop savant abilities without life threatening complications (ie siezures) demonstrate the unthinkable potential of our species.

This, I believe, is absolutely false.
It seems to me that Aspie creativity grows exponentially with more intelligence, whereas NT creativity grows merely linearly.

This is a bit rude. I think an autistic world would be better because of the diversity and focus autistic individuals have on a certain skill; not because we're all mishaps and savants are the only reason autism is better. FYI, I don't think savantism occurs anymore in autism it does for an NT anyhow.

The trouble is it's easy to get human notions of what makes a human "better" mixed up with what natural selection is. Natural selection has nothing to do with smarter, faster, stronger, more attractive, or more "logical" -- unless those things result in increased reproduction and survival of offspring.

If sociopathy is an advantage in a particular environment, then sociopaths are the next trend in evolution. If having low muscle mass is advantageous, then that's the next trend. If social problems are a major impediment to functioning in society (and thus successful reproduction), then that's not likely to be the next trend.

I think people need to remember this kind of thinking is the same that lead to eugenics, and the extermination of lots of people (not that I'm deliberately trying to over- dramatically state the case). I.e. for aesthetic reasons people with blond hair and blue eyes tend to be regarded by many in the world as more beautiful, which then seems to lead to assumptions/feelings that they're also smarter, stronger, kinder and a slew of other things that have no connection to eye or hair color. It's sort of an "optical illusion." In the same way, "more logical" isn't necessarily a positive change, as far as natural selection is concerned.

An aspie taking the quiz would have the communication and possibly attention problems an NT wouldn't have. Thus, their score is probably lower than the NT's making the aspie more intelligent by an IQ tests standards. But I do think the NT has more of a chance of being accomplished.

Their success would/does not stem solely from their intelligence, though.
I'm sure their intelligence contributes less than 50% to success. Probably less than 30% even.

Which then makes it not an accurate intelligence test AT ALL.

At least until aspies perfect the artificial womb and a healthy mode of cloning.

If aspies did become the genetic ubermensch how long would it be until they turned on the NT's putting them in reservations or institutions for the protection of the greater good of the aspie community. As the majority the aspies would quickly be the bullies.

We can give the NT's some soccer balls, they will be fine with it.