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06 Oct 2010, 7:03 am

This is one of those things I never managed, even though I'm over all doing well. I can hold a conversation with a single stranger for ages and have a good time, but if people are already talking to others I just can't join. I don't think I'm capable of paying attention to two or more people at once and keep track of who said what and why that's funny...etc. I can stand there pretend to listen and laugh, but that's not really "joining".



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06 Oct 2010, 7:15 am

Yes, I just don't get the whole group conversation thing. Even if it's just two other people, I somehow get sidelined.

I can be having what I think is a fairly good conversation with a colleague, but then along comes another person and I get cut out of it somehow. The worst is if we're walking or sitting in a row somewhere and I get in the middle of a group of 3 - it is really embarrassing to have a conversation literally going on through you as if you aren't actually there :oops:

Had a situation recently where a group were preparing a small play thingy. I said, quite loudly, " I think if you do X it will work better" and no-one took a blind bit of notice. 5 minutes later, someone goes "It will be better if we do X" and everyone's crowding round saying what a good idea it is :roll:

Sometimes I reckon I have a built in invisibility cloak in group situations - perhaps I should try and turn it to my advantage :D



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06 Oct 2010, 5:26 pm

Igor wrote:
Had a situation recently where a group were preparing a small play thingy. I said, quite loudly, " I think if you do X it will work better" and no-one took a blind bit of notice. 5 minutes later, someone goes "It will be better if we do X" and everyone's crowding round saying what a good idea it is :roll:

That reminded me of something that used to happen quite a lot when I was younger (and probably still happens a bit). I'd say something to a group and only one person would listen/hear it, and as they knew the others hadn't heard it they would repeat it as if it was their own line, and get a good laugh out of the group. If I'm the one who repeats what someone has said I am always careful to say "xxx said..." or something to that effect. Others rarely seem to show the same courtesy.



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27 Oct 2010, 3:06 am

I have the same issue. I find it hard to know when to join in, and not interrupt others It seems every time I try to speaks is right when someone else does, so it seems I'm trying to interrupt them. I also, feel like no one is listening. Sometimes I have made a funny comment or something and a minute or two later, someone else will say the exact same thing, and it gets laughs, as if I never said it.



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27 Oct 2010, 3:07 am

yellowtamarin wrote:
Igor wrote:
Had a situation recently where a group were preparing a small play thingy. I said, quite loudly, " I think if you do X it will work better" and no-one took a blind bit of notice. 5 minutes later, someone goes "It will be better if we do X" and everyone's crowding round saying what a good idea it is :roll:

That reminded me of something that used to happen quite a lot when I was younger (and probably still happens a bit). I'd say something to a group and only one person would listen/hear it, and as they knew the others hadn't heard it they would repeat it as if it was their own line, and get a good laugh out of the group. If I'm the one who repeats what someone has said I am always careful to say "xxx said..." or something to that effect. Others rarely seem to show the same courtesy.



I didn't read the whole thread, but this is pretty much the same thing I just said, LOL, didn't mean to do the exact same thing,
we are talking about here. Anyways, I hate that.

Kids used to steal my answers too when we played games and stuff because I didn't speak loud enough for the teacher to hear it, and the kid was sitting next to me. And I know this is kind of stupid to get upset about but I've had people on my Facebook friends list, copy my exact status, and they get tons of comments, while I got none.
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27 Oct 2010, 1:11 pm

The same thing happens to me too OP and I tend to interrupt. But when it comes to family I do so much better. Maybe it's because they're family and they know me.

I hate group talks so I prefer one and one. I can do fine if it's with two other people too or three but that depends if they want me. I often got told in high school to be quiet or none of my business and it happened again as an adult when I was 23 when I go to this adult group I was in. I gave up trying to socialize. It reminded me of high school. If nothing isn't my business then I guess I won't talk. They can just oblige me in the conversations since I seem to do better that way because then I follow them.



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27 Oct 2010, 2:49 pm

I have this problem with group conversations too. Just happened to me earlier this evening, actually. I was feeling a bit down about it, but reading this thread has helped. :)

I also have the problem with interrupting people, but I do this one on one too; I have this problem always. Unfortunately, it only registers that I´ve interrupted someone, and therefore did the wrong thing, when it´s a moment too late.


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27 Oct 2010, 2:51 pm

Igor wrote:
The worst is if we're walking or sitting in a row somewhere and I get in the middle of a group of 3 - it is really embarrassing to have a conversation literally going on through you as if you aren't actually there :oops:


Ah yes, been there, done that.


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27 Oct 2010, 3:09 pm

The only time when I get to talk when people are in a group situation is when they all simultaneously stop talking and look directly at me.

Otherwise, if I try to talk, someone else will interrupt and talk louder and just keep talking regardless of me talking.

In the past I have tried interrupting too, but that has never worked. They always kept talking and no one listened to me.

And then sometimes one of them comes to me after the group discussion and points out that I didn't say anything, as if I'm not aware of it.



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27 Oct 2010, 5:43 pm

It's easy for two or more people to ignore you, than if they were alone. Social rules dictate you can't ignore a person if they're talking directly to you with no one else around. Once another person joins the conversation, they can ignore you by paying attention to each other only.


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27 Oct 2010, 6:26 pm

It depends on the subject. If i know about stuff that's talked about, i can dive right in. Otherwise i let the others do the talking.



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27 Oct 2010, 9:47 pm

What you described has caused me much misery, self doubt, and pain.
Nothing much to add except that many times the group takes on this pattern of someone says something, everyone chuckles, people respond, more chuckling - and then I say something that is either completely ignored, or worse, the pattern is broken, and there is no chuckle. Only uncomfortable looks. Yeah. That's worse than the silence.



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27 Oct 2010, 10:20 pm

FireMinstrel wrote:
It's easy for two or more people to ignore you, than if they were alone. Social rules dictate you can't ignore a person if they're talking directly to you with no one else around. Once another person joins the conversation, they can ignore you by paying attention to each other only.


Yesterday I was trying to get in on a conversation between two people and every time that I would try to say something in a pause in the conversation, one of them would start talking again immediately. It was obvious they just didn't want to listen to me. These are people who will talk to me one on one, so yeah, I think you must be right.

But some people will even ignore me when I try to talk to them one on one. I am so ignorable.



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29 Oct 2010, 6:01 am

When I did community theater, there was this one time where I was trying to have a conversation with some fellow musicians I planned to play with in the future. While we were trying to make plans, this guy involved with the theater group, who has pretty bad Aspergers, came up and tried butting into the conversation. Finally, the other two guys gave up and walked away, saying "Don't worry. We can talk about it later,"
Of course, my own inability to express myself quickly didn't help, and I couldn't figure out how to politely ask him to excuse himself while we were discussing something that didn't really concern him.
As for the other guys, they probably just didn't know what to say at all to a "special kid", as the aspie was referred to by everyone.
No offense to people, but are you all sure you're not being too abrupt, loud, nosy, and/or forceful in joining the conversation?


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29 Oct 2010, 12:00 pm

FireMinstrel wrote:
When I did community theater, there was this one time where I was trying to have a conversation with some fellow musicians I planned to play with in the future. While we were trying to make plans, this guy involved with the theater group, who has pretty bad Aspergers, came up and tried butting into the conversation. Finally, the other two guys gave up and walked away, saying "Don't worry. We can talk about it later,"
Of course, my own inability to express myself quickly didn't help, and I couldn't figure out how to politely ask him to excuse himself while we were discussing something that didn't really concern him.
As for the other guys, they probably just didn't know what to say at all to a "special kid", as the aspie was referred to by everyone.
No offense to people, but are you all sure you're not being too abrupt, loud, nosy, and/or forceful in joining the conversation?


Why didn´t you guys just tell him that you were trying to make an appointment, and you´ll talk to him when you´re finished? Mystery solved.


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29 Oct 2010, 12:30 pm

I'm not good at articulating when I have two people talking to me at the same time. I have no idea why the guys didn't say anything. Maybe they thought it would make them look bad.


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