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09 Oct 2010, 10:02 pm

I've never heard of him.


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09 Oct 2010, 11:07 pm

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I've never heard of him.



Same here...



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13 Oct 2010, 12:40 am

then look him up, you will be amazed at what you find



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13 Oct 2010, 3:48 am

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People like Chris-chan intrigue me and for that reason I have taken to studying him and people like him. I don't think his issues and exceptionalities are uncommon among the AS population: his actions, behaviours and interests are textbook AS to me.

The only difference is: he posts eveything about his life all over the internet. Others see it as embarrassing for him and he is then seen as a disgrace...but I believe this unfair as perhaps he doesn't understand the concept of online limits. I think there are hundreds or thousands of people in the world who are very much like him, the only difference is that they don't broadcast every intimate detail orf their lives. I think that it's unfortunate that some people on the spectrum don't have a good sense of what is private and public as they could get into situations online where they can easily embarrass themselves to a very wide audience of people.

A girl that I am currently mentoring and supporting is the same way in that she will talk about and promote her interests with strangers online and is always being ridiculed for it. She has made a few friends, sure, but at the expense of everyone else hating her. I mean, what if she wants a job or supported employment or something? An employer can easily search the net for her and make a snap judgement without any background on her whatsoever.


The same thing here, though it is making me incredibly sad how people are treating such individuals.

I know another aspie/autie who also seems to have this inability to see a difference between public and private (he is also suffering from a mild mental retardation). Anyway, he put up a website about his life and his passions, and has been bullied for it - not only through the internet but also in real life.

The bullying eventually moved into some kind of witch hunt, where he has dead animals sent home to him, threatening phone calls and letters with pornographic content posted in his name. The police refuse to do anything though, since he's living in a little town and he is known as an aspie there (not to say that his mother is pre-retired and on welfare, so he has a low class status as well). Almost every time I chat with him through MSN, I have to talk him out of killing himself or getting weapons so he could "defend himself against the bullies".

In many ways, he is reminding of Chris.

I don't think neither he or Chris is bad people nor are deserving of this. No one should be punished for not being smart or for being different. The bullying and hating campaign is really un-called for.

The only case I could think of when bullying could be justified is when it is used against hateful, racist and intolerant bigots like Bill White, Fred Phelps or Nick Griffin, because it is people who want to create societies characterised by bullying. That is not because such individuals are "lulz-worthy", but because the hatred that they spew out could actually hurt innocent individuals.

At the same time, I think it is important that children are taught about internet and how it works so they wouldn't be exposed to any deviant sexual interactions, attempts to steal their money from them or bullying.



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13 Oct 2010, 7:29 am

I find the life of thhis person quite fascinating, because he is a train wreck of a man and whatever cwc gets up to next never fails to shock/entertain/worry me. I think he has some mental health issues as well as just autism, no one is that messed up in the head with autism alone.


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13 Oct 2010, 8:32 am

Socially "inappropriate" behavior can manifest as...socially "inappropriate" behavior. Shock.

I think people who make fun of, hound, and obsess over him enough to take the time to make all of these sites are actually far sadder. I mean, where I come from, you just ignore people who do silly things and don't give it a second thought. They're validating him. Irony.



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13 Oct 2010, 9:23 am

His behavior offends people, and thus, they react. It may be possible that some of these haters might have been sexual abuse victims as children(what with the pedophile overtones in his writings and drawings). As for the rest, they're offended, yet can't look away. Still, it's not like his life outright invades ours. I looked, I was disgusted, and now I'm done.



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13 Oct 2010, 1:07 pm

But why continue posting videos online of doing things if you are being made fun of and all and people are making web pages about you or mocking you online? :?

I even wonder how people know about his personal life? Perhaps he has talked about it in his videos or someone who knows him posted about it online and wrote about it. But yet he continues doing the same stuff. It makes me think he likes doing this for attention and watching people make fun of him and he is laughing about it.

I don't really watch videos of him unless I am shown them or shown an article about him.

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His behavior offends people, and thus, they react. It may be possible that some of these haters might have been sexual abuse victims as children(what with the pedophile overtones in his writings and drawings). As for the rest, they're offended, yet can't look away. Still, it's not like his life outright invades ours. I looked, I was disgusted, and now I'm done.


But if something triggers your past, why continue watching videos about it and making fun of him? Wouldn't people who actually suffered it not watch anything by him and they would just turn away? It doesn't make any sense to just keep watching something that triggers your past or upsets you.



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13 Oct 2010, 7:04 pm

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anneurysm wrote:
People like Chris-chan intrigue me and for that reason I have taken to studying him and people like him. I don't think his issues and exceptionalities are uncommon among the AS population: his actions, behaviours and interests are textbook AS to me.

The only difference is: he posts eveything about his life all over the internet. Others see it as embarrassing for him and he is then seen as a disgrace...but I believe this unfair as perhaps he doesn't understand the concept of online limits. I think there are hundreds or thousands of people in the world who are very much like him, the only difference is that they don't broadcast every intimate detail orf their lives. I think that it's unfortunate that some people on the spectrum don't have a good sense of what is private and public as they could get into situations online where they can easily embarrass themselves to a very wide audience of people.

A girl that I am currently mentoring and supporting is the same way in that she will talk about and promote her interests with strangers online and is always being ridiculed for it. She has made a few friends, sure, but at the expense of everyone else hating her. I mean, what if she wants a job or supported employment or something? An employer can easily search the net for her and make a snap judgement without any background on her whatsoever.


The same thing here, though it is making me incredibly sad how people are treating such individuals.

I know another aspie/autie who also seems to have this inability to see a difference between public and private (he is also suffering from a mild mental retardation). Anyway, he put up a website about his life and his passions, and has been bullied for it - not only through the internet but also in real life.

The bullying eventually moved into some kind of witch hunt, where he has dead animals sent home to him, threatening phone calls and letters with pornographic content posted in his name. The police refuse to do anything though, since he's living in a little town and he is known as an aspie there (not to say that his mother is pre-retired and on welfare, so he has a low class status as well). Almost every time I chat with him through MSN, I have to talk him out of killing himself or getting weapons so he could "defend himself against the bullies".

In many ways, he is reminding of Chris.

I don't think neither he or Chris is bad people nor are deserving of this. No one should be punished for not being smart or for being different. The bullying and hating campaign is really un-called for.

The only case I could think of when bullying could be justified is when it is used against hateful, racist and intolerant bigots like Bill White, Fred Phelps or Nick Griffin, because it is people who want to create societies characterised by bullying. That is not because such individuals are "lulz-worthy", but because the hatred that they spew out could actually hurt innocent individuals.

At the same time, I think it is important that children are taught about internet and how it works so they wouldn't be exposed to any deviant sexual interactions, attempts to steal their money from them or bullying.


That is so sad...stories like that just make me feel angry inside, because if one doesn't know any better, they don't deserve it. I completely agree that we should judge those who purposefully go against others...but we shouldn't judge what people like CWC do because the actions he does are a result of his own social unawareness rather than him doing them to purposely bully or annoy people.

This is why internet safety should definitely be taught to people on the spectrum that don't have a good social compass, like Chris-chan. No one told him that putting up potentially embarrassing videos that shame and disgrace himself was the wrong way to get attention, so he did it. People on the spectrum often don't understand these "hidden rules" and so sometimes they will make guesses as to what the best course of action will be toward a goal would be, whether or not it is socially appropriate.

Chris-chan made a sign that he held up at his college campus asking for a "boyfriend free-girl" because no one told him it was inappropriate. In a similar light, another Aspie on the net that I followed was banned from an anime conference because he was stalking some girls. No one told him this was inappropriate. Instances like these make me sick inside because they all could have been prevented with a little bit of guidance and support, and so much embarrassment and shame could have been avoided.


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13 Oct 2010, 7:12 pm

I don't understand the fascination of exploring other people's disabilities or lack thereof.

I've got enough to do just understanding and coming to terms with my own.

There are nut jobs in every walk of life, and among every group. I've know idea if this guy is one of them, and don't honestly see any reason to be concerned about it.


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13 Oct 2010, 7:15 pm

Right anneurysm we just all misunderstand Chris Chan. Despite the fact he has threatened to rape women ,stalk women ,wrote a comic strip where he fantasized about killing a man, is suspected in the death of Clyde Cash, and writes a horribly distrubing comic that features pedophilia in every direction. Give your head a shake people, this guy is f****d up.

And CWC real name is Ian Brandon Anderson, not Christian Weston Chandler. Look up the RealChrisChan on youtube, CWC copied him and later threatened to kill him.

On the other hand the CWC saga is too elaborate to be real; I think its all fake and a radio show that talked about Chris was suggested that it was in fact all an act.



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13 Oct 2010, 7:40 pm

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Right anneurysm we just all misunderstand Chris Chan. Despite the fact he has threatened to rape women ,stalk women ,wrote a comic strip where he fantasized about killing a man, is suspected in the death of Clyde Cash, and writes a horribly distrubing comic that features pedophilia in every direction. Give your head a shake people, this guy is f**** up.

And CWC real name is Ian Brandon Anderson, not Christian Weston Chandler. Look up the RealChrisChan on youtube, CWC copied him and later threatened to kill him.

On the other hand the CWC saga is too elaborate to be real; I think its all fake and a radio show that talked about Chris was suggested that it was in fact all an act.


This could be possible, but I have seen his psych evaluation which proves that yes, he does exist, and the comments the psych team have said about him sound pretty authentic to me. I know there is a good chance he is real though, as I am fasignated with human oddity and as such have taken to studying cases of people like him. As such, I see a lot of commonalities between him and then others with AS that I've studied, and he seems very much AS, and very believable to me.

My theory on people like Chris-chan is simpy that they have no way of censoring their innermost thoughts, so they will simply broadcast them to everyone simply because they don't know how to draw the line. I know many people won't agree with this, but I think that most people are fasignated by controversial subjects that have to do with sex or violence...I mean, I have pretty f***ed up thoughts myself, but I don't go telling the whole internet about them: I keep them to certain times, people and places.

A girl who has been offically diagnosed AS who I am studying right now is VERY much like Chris-chan. She has made up her own race of characters and creatures and sexual themes will often pop up in discussions and drawings of these characters. I am helping her to get her thoughts across more effectively and more appropriate ways and she really appreciates it because no one has really tried to help her out with this before and they have just dismissed her as being crazy.

The problem with people like Chris-chan is that they simply don't make any effort to hide these thoughts. I'm not saying we have to feel sorry for him, but that we have to act compassionately towards him and guide him instead of dismissing him as crazy or effed up because when we do that, we assume that he knows better...when he doesn't! This happens time and time again for people with different disorders simply because people don't understand the rationales for their behaviour and therefore dismiss them altogether. It makes me so angry that people are so quick to dismiss others they see as different and how few actually take tyime to understand these people.

So instead of shutting him down, we have to help him out. We have to help him out with figuring out what is appropriate to broadcast to the internet and what isn't. Also, he could definitely benefit from some kind of mentoring or counseling or social skills training in order to make sure that he acts appropriately on the internet and in public so that people will respect him as a person instead of making fun of him.


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My diagnoses - social anxiety disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

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13 Oct 2010, 7:48 pm

anneurysm wrote:
Mojave wrote:
Right anneurysm we just all misunderstand Chris Chan. Despite the fact he has threatened to rape women ,stalk women ,wrote a comic strip where he fantasized about killing a man, is suspected in the death of Clyde Cash, and writes a horribly distrubing comic that features pedophilia in every direction. Give your head a shake people, this guy is f**** up.

And CWC real name is Ian Brandon Anderson, not Christian Weston Chandler. Look up the RealChrisChan on youtube, CWC copied him and later threatened to kill him.

On the other hand the CWC saga is too elaborate to be real; I think its all fake and a radio show that talked about Chris was suggested that it was in fact all an act.


This could be possible, but I have seen his psych evaluation which proves that yes, he does exist, and the comments the psych team have said about him sound pretty authentic to me. I know there is a good chance he is real though, as I am fasignated with human oddity and as such have taken to studying cases of people like him. As such, I see a lot of commonalities between him and then others with AS that I've studied, and he seems very much AS, and very believable to me.

My theory on people like Chris-chan is simpy that they have no way of censoring their innermost thoughts, so they will simply broadcast them to everyone simply because they don't know how to draw the line. I know many people won't agree with this, but I think that most people are fasignated by controversial subjects that have to do with sex or violence...I mean, I have pretty f***ed up thoughts myself, but I don't go telling the whole internet about them: I keep them to certain times, people and places.

A girl who has been offically diagnosed AS who I am studying right now is VERY much like Chris-chan. She has made up her own race of characters and creatures and sexual themes will often pop up in discussions and drawings of these characters. I am helping her to get her thoughts across more effectively and more appropriate ways and she really appreciates it because no one has really tried to help her out with this before and they have just dismissed her as being crazy.

The problem with people like Chris-chan is that they simply don't make any effort to hide these thoughts. I'm not saying we have to feel sorry for him, but that we have to act compassionately towards him and guide him instead of dismissing him as crazy or effed up because when we do that, we assume that he knows better...when he doesn't! This happens time and time again for people with different disorders simply because people don't understand the rationales for their behaviour and therefore dismiss them altogether. It makes me so angry that people are so quick to dismiss others they see as different and how few actually take tyime to understand these people.

So instead of shutting him down, we have to help him out. We have to help him out with figuring out what is appropriate to broadcast to the internet and what isn't. Also, he could definitely benefit from some kind of mentoring or counseling or social skills training in order to make sure that he acts appropriately on the internet and in public so that people will respect him as a person instead of making fun of him.


So sadly what we have is a case of someone who's been given no formal treatment or counseling to deal with their AS.



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13 Oct 2010, 7:59 pm

raisedbyignorance wrote:
anneurysm wrote:
Mojave wrote:
Right anneurysm we just all misunderstand Chris Chan. Despite the fact he has threatened to rape women ,stalk women ,wrote a comic strip where he fantasized about killing a man, is suspected in the death of Clyde Cash, and writes a horribly distrubing comic that features pedophilia in every direction. Give your head a shake people, this guy is f**** up.

And CWC real name is Ian Brandon Anderson, not Christian Weston Chandler. Look up the RealChrisChan on youtube, CWC copied him and later threatened to kill him.

On the other hand the CWC saga is too elaborate to be real; I think its all fake and a radio show that talked about Chris was suggested that it was in fact all an act.


This could be possible, but I have seen his psych evaluation which proves that yes, he does exist, and the comments the psych team have said about him sound pretty authentic to me. I know there is a good chance he is real though, as I am fasignated with human oddity and as such have taken to studying cases of people like him. As such, I see a lot of commonalities between him and then others with AS that I've studied, and he seems very much AS, and very believable to me.

My theory on people like Chris-chan is simpy that they have no way of censoring their innermost thoughts, so they will simply broadcast them to everyone simply because they don't know how to draw the line. I know many people won't agree with this, but I think that most people are fasignated by controversial subjects that have to do with sex or violence...I mean, I have pretty f***ed up thoughts myself, but I don't go telling the whole internet about them: I keep them to certain times, people and places.

A girl who has been offically diagnosed AS who I am studying right now is VERY much like Chris-chan. She has made up her own race of characters and creatures and sexual themes will often pop up in discussions and drawings of these characters. I am helping her to get her thoughts across more effectively and more appropriate ways and she really appreciates it because no one has really tried to help her out with this before and they have just dismissed her as being crazy.

The problem with people like Chris-chan is that they simply don't make any effort to hide these thoughts. I'm not saying we have to feel sorry for him, but that we have to act compassionately towards him and guide him instead of dismissing him as crazy or effed up because when we do that, we assume that he knows better...when he doesn't! This happens time and time again for people with different disorders simply because people don't understand the rationales for their behaviour and therefore dismiss them altogether. It makes me so angry that people are so quick to dismiss others they see as different and how few actually take tyime to understand these people.

So instead of shutting him down, we have to help him out. We have to help him out with figuring out what is appropriate to broadcast to the internet and what isn't. Also, he could definitely benefit from some kind of mentoring or counseling or social skills training in order to make sure that he acts appropriately on the internet and in public so that people will respect him as a person instead of making fun of him.


So sadly what we have is a case of someone who's been given no formal treatment or counseling to deal with their AS.


He had an evaluation done after the sign and stalking incidents, but they just left things to stagnate. I believe they said that because he's well adjusted and getting good grades that he didn't really need any other treatments. But what they fully neglected was treatment for social skills and for understanding the hidden curriculum, as well as personal counselling to discuss his personal issues: the things he needs most! I think they recommended treatmnt but nothing was officially set up. This is why i'm such as big advocate for things like counselling and continued support for people on the spectrum...it can prevent situations like chris-chan's from happening.


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I’m no longer involved with the ASD world.


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14 Oct 2010, 5:51 am

Another problem is, his parents seem to just let him do what he wants, like he's a feral child or something. And actually, people DO try to help him, it's just that he DOES NOT LISTEN TO THEM. If you're a woman, he'll try to hit on you. If you're a man, he'll want nothing to do with you.
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14 Oct 2010, 5:59 am

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But why continue posting videos online of doing things if you are being made fun of and all and people are making web pages about you or mocking you online?


Perhaps he likes the attention, even if it's negative. I once saw a boy with AS say that he liked being bullied, as it made him feel like he was part of the group. Without the bullying, he had no interaction with others.

The old adage, if you don't like something don't watch it, applies to this. People nowadays are far too wrapped up in "personalities" and applying them to demographics. It's silly.