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21 Oct 2010, 11:57 am

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I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


Yeah. Whatever. As if Hans dying before he wrote his papers would have changed your underlying neurology. You would still be you. It would just be called something else.

Or are you using dark humor?



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21 Oct 2010, 11:58 am

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I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


LOL, troll.


Its called a vent, a rant. No need for you to call people names. Calling someone a troll without backing up your response is trolling in it self. I should be the one calling you a troll, but luckily, I am not that ret*d.



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21 Oct 2010, 11:59 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


Yeah. Whatever. As if Hans dying before he wrote his papers would have changed your underlying neurology. You would still be you. It would just be called something else.

Or are you using dark humor?


I am not a humourous person. Give me a time machine and I'll go back and clip him myself.



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21 Oct 2010, 12:02 pm

Craig28 wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


Yeah. Whatever. As if Hans dying before he wrote his papers would have changed your underlying neurology. You would still be you. It would just be called something else.

Or are you using dark humor?


I am not a humourous person. Give me a time machine and I'll go back and clip him myself.


I'm not sure letting you use my time machine would be high on the list if I had one.



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21 Oct 2010, 12:05 pm

Craig28 wrote:
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Craig28 wrote:
I would do anything to get rid of my AS. It causes nothing but trouble and it makes people see me in the wrong light. Its a disgusting joke and Hans should have been shot during the war for his stupidity.


LOL, troll.


Its called a vent, a rant. No need for you to call people names. Calling someone a troll without backing up your response is trolling in it self. I should be the one calling you a troll, but luckily, I am not that ret*d.


I did back up my response, you just cut the second paragraph of my post off... Because you're trolling.



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21 Oct 2010, 12:43 pm

I cut the second part of your post off because I didn't have a response to that. What is the point of quoting something that you can't reply on? Hmm, where is the logic?



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21 Oct 2010, 12:49 pm

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I cut the second part of your post off because I didn't have a response to that. What is the point of quoting something that you can't reply on? Hmm, where is the logic?


Because that was where I explained my reasoning, you just chose to ignore that part because you have no response to reason as you've just admitted.



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21 Oct 2010, 1:08 pm

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I fully support a cure for AS. There is nothing wrong with that.

not that that's wrong, but I curious how exactly you see a cure working.

For the social aspect as i see it, there is a lack of the ability to recognize and learn, and there is the lack of practical knowledge. The first being the condition, the second being the effect.

Even if you had a magical cure that could make you see everything normally, it couldn't teach you what you don't know. You would be left with the piratical social knowledge of someone half your age, but all the things that interested you would hold no value anymore. Not having sensory issues might be nice, but then you would not be able to see little things (i could watch complex clockworks for hours, or strange water flows, ferrofluid ...).

I would like to learn better practical social skills sure, but it's not the top of the list.

That being said, congrats to the OP. You seem to have found something you wanted



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21 Oct 2010, 1:09 pm

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That's not the issue, really. If there were a "cure" for AS, like brain surgery, people wouldn't be making their own decisions. Society would naturally force them to do so.

Kids would, of course, be forced by their parents; and in many cases parents who disagreed might lose custody.
Adults on disability would be forced by the government, who can mandate treatment as a condition for continued disability payments.
People who had health insurance would find a prohibitively high cost, so that they could not obtain health care unless they were treated.
Prison and institution inmates and those who had been declared legally incompetent would be forced into treatment against their will.
People who had jobs could not get accommodations when treatment was available to make those accommodations unnecessary, and so would be unable to work.

Of course, thankfully this situation will never happen because we will never be able to cure autism in an adult. Even gene therapy on a fetus or at the most a neonate is at least a half century in the future; but what will happen first is that they will find a genetic test, whereupon most autistic fetuses will be aborted and most autism cure research will stop because autism will be considered "preventable" and the funding will dry up as existing autistics age and are no longer cute children.


Sadly, I think you're right about what would happen, if this were possible.
Happily, I think you're right that it will probably never be possible.

But, if it were ever to become possible, and people were being forced to accept a "cure", I'd go hide out in the woods. I am who I am. No one else has a right to forcibly alter my personality. I do support the right of an adult, without pressure, to undergo whatever treatment they decide is worthwhile for them. For parents to make such a choice for their children, for society to make such a choice for anyone, for any pressure to be applied - that, to me, is a fundamental violation of our basic human rights.

As far as eugenics is concerned - it is pure, raw evil. I would support, as a criminal punishment, tattooing every eugenicist with a huge swastika across their face, to warn the world of the ideology that has twisted their minds. If they get their genetic test, before they can succeed in eliminating us, I hope a bunch of aspies get together and figure out how to clone ourselves. And do it. Millions of times. :lol:

Although I find it sad that society drives anyone to feel this way, I accept the right of any one of us to seek to change or hide what we are - as individuals. That's a personal decision. But none of us - or anyone else - has the right to make that kind of decision for anyone else. Although I'd rather be an aspie myself, I would never think of suggesting that NTs be forced to undergo some treatment to become more like us.


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21 Oct 2010, 1:27 pm

Callista wrote:
That's not the issue, really. If there were a "cure" for AS, like brain surgery, people wouldn't be making their own decisions. Society would naturally force them to do so.

Kids would, of course, be forced by their parents; and in many cases parents who disagreed might lose custody.
Adults on disability would be forced by the government, who can mandate treatment as a condition for continued disability payments.
People who had health insurance would find a prohibitively high cost, so that they could not obtain health care unless they were treated.
Prison and institution inmates and those who had been declared legally incompetent would be forced into treatment against their will.
People who had jobs could not get accommodations when treatment was available to make those accommodations unnecessary, and so would be unable to work.

Of course, thankfully this situation will never happen because we will never be able to cure autism in an adult. Even gene therapy on a fetus or at the most a neonate is at least a half century in the future; but what will happen first is that they will find a genetic test, whereupon most autistic fetuses will be aborted and most autism cure research will stop because autism will be considered "preventable" and the funding will dry up as existing autistics age and are no longer cute children.


It would be incredibly ironic if the person that discovered the cure had Asperger's.



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21 Oct 2010, 2:35 pm

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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Exactly, this is the question we need to answer.


I'd rather not have the negatives that are caused directly or indirectly from aspergers..



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21 Oct 2010, 2:38 pm

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Asperger's does not go away.

Congratulations, however, on learning to fake normal well enough that other people might think it went away.

Please do not claim, however, that though "working on it" you've rewired your brain. Nor that other people not being able to tell means it's gone away.


I agree with all of the above.



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21 Oct 2010, 4:49 pm

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21 Oct 2010, 5:45 pm

What about the philosophical or psychological implications of being "redesigned"? How would that change one's character? I'm afraid that genetic engineering on children will usher in an age of heartless, psychopathic hedonists.


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21 Oct 2010, 8:25 pm

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What about the philosophical or psychological implications of being "redesigned"? How would that change one's character? I'm afraid that genetic engineering on children will usher in an age of heartless, psychopathic hedonists.
luckily we're not even close to being at that point... we discussed it in genetic ethics class. :) i mean, that statement doesn't solve the fact. genetic counseling is still in its infancy. we can only *really* choose children for their gender, and only by making some zygotes and choosing the one with the XY or XX. If you couldn't tell, the industry is a bit unregulated as of yet, until people start to become decided on these issues. Right now, it's super expensive. Then, there are tests for genetic diseases. The cruelest response was people aborting all of those down syndrome babies. Gene therapy currently can only sort of treat monogenic diseases, like severe combined immune disorder (the most "successful" treated disorder.) Not trying to dis it, only portray how far we are from getting anywhere to that point. I only hope that ethics will be considered in the future. The problem, really, is public ignorance, which society seems to tote ignorance like a designer label.



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21 Oct 2010, 9:33 pm

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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Exactly, this is the question we need to answer.


Because it can make you miss social cues, leading to a less than desirable social life and unnecessary conflict, hence sabotaging your opportunities to advance in the world. I don't know if I have it, but I do NOT enjoy dealing with whatever I have.