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22 Oct 2010, 1:33 pm

This would make a GREAT story. Assuming a genetic explanation-- or... Hmm.


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22 Oct 2010, 1:42 pm

Fernando--uhh.... what? Autistic people are just as capable of love as NTs. For example, autistic kids have the same kind of attachment to their parents as NT kids do...


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22 Oct 2010, 2:17 pm

fernando wrote:
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I said I doubt that a cure could make a full-blown autistic boy into a Nobel Prize winner.


Autistic people can win nobel prizes, what are you talking about

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In a hypothetical world where a cure is possible, there would be a lot less innovation, a lot less new technology, a lot less creativity, a lot less software, a lot less scientific progress, etc.


and a lot more love. You describe a rather nice world actually.

Would you want to live a world like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
Also, those two statements are in direct contrast with each other. You say that we're capable of winning Nobel prizes (I was referring to a very low-functioning child, BTW), and yet you welcome a stagnant world. Hypocrite.


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22 Oct 2010, 4:04 pm

If only we could cure the NT`s
imagin an end to bullying and that sociopathic need to stamp out difference

I have a dream . . .
that one day NT will not be considered the ideal end of the autism spectrum, where neurodiversity is celebrated for it`s unique difference, where difference is not inherantly wrong . . .

then again the last guy giving an I have a dream speach could have been ``cured`` (through plastic surgery) but if that was a solution we wouldn`t have black people.



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22 Oct 2010, 4:06 pm

ninszot wrote:
If only we could cure the NT`s
imagin an end to bullying and that sociopathic need to stamp out difference

I have a dream . . .
that one day NT will not be considered the ideal end of the autism spectrum, where neurodiversity is celebrated for it`s unique difference, where difference is not inherantly wrong . . .

then again the last guy giving an I have a dream speach could have been ``cured`` (through plastic surgery) but if that was a solution we wouldn`t have black people.


Exactly right. We should push for diversity, not discrimination, whether you're talking about race, gender, or neurology, especially since at least two of the richest people in the world are Aspies - just shows what we can do when we're left to it, if you ask me.



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22 Oct 2010, 4:46 pm

fernando wrote:
Giftorcurse wrote:
I said I doubt that a cure could make a full-blown autistic boy into a Nobel Prize winner.


Autistic people can win nobel prizes, what are you talking about

Asp-Z wrote:
In a hypothetical world where a cure is possible, there would be a lot less innovation, a lot less new technology, a lot less creativity, a lot less software, a lot less scientific progress, etc.


and a lot more love. You describe a rather nice world actually.

more love , let me laugh out loud at this....



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22 Oct 2010, 4:58 pm

ediself wrote:
fernando wrote:
Giftorcurse wrote:
I said I doubt that a cure could make a full-blown autistic boy into a Nobel Prize winner.


Autistic people can win nobel prizes, what are you talking about

Asp-Z wrote:
In a hypothetical world where a cure is possible, there would be a lot less innovation, a lot less new technology, a lot less creativity, a lot less software, a lot less scientific progress, etc.


and a lot more love. You describe a rather nice world actually.

more love , let me laugh out loud at this....


+1

Most likely, the decline in any real progress will cause a loss of any meaning for people, and all we'd get more of is riots.



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23 Oct 2010, 12:35 am

People will keep pushing for a cure so long as aspies still can't find a job, and have to live off of their parents, or the government, regardless of how many aspies ARE successful.



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23 Oct 2010, 12:40 am

I wouldn't feel like myself anymore. I'd be a stranger to myself. I wouldn't want that for myself.


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23 Oct 2010, 12:46 am

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What effects would a cure have?


I imagine it would manifest in much the same way as a full frontal lobotomy.



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23 Oct 2010, 3:06 am

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People will keep pushing for a cure so long as aspies still can't find a job, and have to live off of their parents, or the government, regardless of how many aspies ARE successful.


So if some Aspies can't get a job, then they all need to be wiped out, even if there are some which are extremely rich and successful? That makes no sense; there are many NTs which can't get a job, too, so why aren't they trying to "cure" them?



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23 Oct 2010, 7:05 am

If there was a cure and I took it I would expect it to make me suddenly very interested and intrigued with socialising. I would expect I would become happy and stimulated to talk to people and get bored and fed up when alone. I would expect to start yakking on the phone all the time. At work I would expect to become well liked and respected and promoted (maybe).

Also when I get up to scratch with the socialising and working things and gain lots of confidence I would start stirring trouble with the people I don't like. I would cleverly manipulate people and tread on people to get what i want. And I dare say I would love doing it and gain great satisfaction from watching others suffer because of me.

And if I ever came across any bully's that I have had to endure I would give them loads back!

I reckon it would be a negative thing for me to have a cure. I would end up being just as nasty and petty as those NT bullies we have all come across.



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23 Oct 2010, 8:44 am

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So if some Aspies can't get a job, then they all need to be wiped out, even if there are some which are extremely rich and successful? That makes no sense; there are many NTs which can't get a job, too, so why aren't they trying to "cure" them?


I'm quite sure they are.
ODD or bad personality? Send them to gulag school/boot camp.
ADD? Stimulant medication.
Sociopath? Jail.
OCD? SSRI meds.
Dyslexia? Special education
Down's Syndrome? Abortion

Aspies aren't the only ones that people are eager to cure. I know there are aspies who don't want a cure, the same way there are deaf people who don't want cochlear implants.
And obviously, the successful aspies would be left alone. Why come after the rich and successful aspies, indeed? I'm quite sure they won't.
If they did find a cure, I wouldn't be surprised if social services were obliged to harp on their aspie clients to get it. If you're independent, and not in the system, you'll likely be in the clear.



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23 Oct 2010, 8:49 am

FireMinstrel wrote:
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So if some Aspies can't get a job, then they all need to be wiped out, even if there are some which are extremely rich and successful? That makes no sense; there are many NTs which can't get a job, too, so why aren't they trying to "cure" them?


I'm quite sure they are.
ODD or bad personality? Send them to gulag school/boot camp.
ADD? Stimulant medication.
Sociopath? Jail.
OCD? SSRI meds.
Dyslexia? Special education
Down's Syndrome? Abortion

Aspies aren't the only ones that people are eager to cure. I know there are aspies who don't want a cure, the same way there are deaf people who don't want cochlear implants.
And obviously, the successful aspies would be left alone. Why come after the rich and successful aspies, indeed? I'm quite sure they won't.
If they did find a cure, I wouldn't be surprised if social services were obliged to harp on their aspie clients to get it. If you're independent, and not in the system, you'll likely be in the clear.


All the people on that list aren't NTs, though. I get your point, and I'm against drugging people to make them "normal", but all your post proves is that NTs discriminate against pretty much everyone who isn't an NT.

All this talk of "the system" forcing Aspies to take a cure is irrelevant as such a thing will never even happen.



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23 Oct 2010, 8:59 am

I didn't say they'd be forced by the system- just bugged a lot by it.



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23 Oct 2010, 9:02 am

FireMinstrel wrote:
I didn't say they'd be forced by the system- just bugged a lot by it.


The fact a cure is impossible isn't changed by that, though, and even if there was a cure and the system was bothering Aspies to get them to take it, I doubt they'd give up easily.