Doctors and dentists are crooks!
Dentists and opticians are crooks in my opinion. I live in the UK so I get National Health Service treatment, i.e. it's free to see a doctor, so I don't get that problems so much with doctors (my psychiatrist and social worker are amazing). But here in the UK opticians are usually paid for (although I get reductions in cost due to being on income support benefits), and dentists get paid by the NHS for every filling they do, so they want to do as many as possible. I've already got four fillings in the past year and one of them is falling apart
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I hate dentists. I've had some good dentists who I felt at ease with, but that doesn't stop the horrible pain I endure when they stick a needle in my mouth, paralyze me and drill through my teeth. Oh well, it's inevitable.
I've always had a great house doctor, who treated me with understanding and care, and was always generous as to give me a few months off from school. I shall always be grateful to her for that.
About the costs, I always got paid back for any visit to a doctor or dentist, thanks to my country's optimized healthcare. Belgium is similar to Holland in this aspect (and in many other things as well).
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I like that part. I used to look forward to it as a small child. I freaked out the dentist and hygienist when I climbed into the chair at 5 years old and told them excitedly that I hoped they were going to use the needle. They both stopped, looked at me and then at each other.
I like that part. I used to look forward to it as a small child. I freaked out the dentist and hygienist when I climbed into the chair at 5 years old and told them excitedly that I hoped they were going to use the needle. They both stopped, looked at me and then at each other.
You are so lucky I wish I cood have that kind of power.
But if they deaden the surface they use the needle on,
I don't have a reaction, I just shut my sys tightly and
don't look.
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Same thing with doctors. When I was twelve, I was suffering from a recurring cough and went to a lung specialist who put me on an asma pump plus inhaler. I went to another doctor who perscribed pills and told me that the cough was due to the onset of menarche (she was right; the cough went away after I took the pills!)
My parents have the same type of experience with doctors and dentists. Mom went to get a cist on her neck removed and the doctor told her it was cancer! Luckily she has had many of these things before and told him not to worry, it is only a cist.
Do you guys have similar experiences or is it that doctors in the US are crooks? All they care about is money and the first thing they will tell a patient is "you need to have surgery", even if it is a minute thing. I hesitate to think whether this is because they are crooks/money hungry or perhaps they are simply not properly trained. What do you think?
Doctors can be too enthusiastic and compulsive when it comes to surgery. Here in the US, they have been cautioned about c sections which they have done when it might have not been needed. I had one bad outcome with a doctor. I had a painful surgery I don't think I benefitted from and at a young age so I was traumatized by the experience. Doctors tend to be too ready to advance their resumes and careers by offering patients risky procedures that may or may not improve quality of life. When they help, it's great, but they need to make sure they are helping before prescribing treatment.
As for dentists, I love going to the dentist and having my teeth cleaned by the hygienist! It's a huge weight off my shoulders when I find out I have no cavities. Right now I have four impacted wisdom teeth which are unsettling, but so far, I haven't needed to have them removed. I dread the appointment the dentist tells me they must be removed, at least the bottom ones. It's not going to be fun. I might just end up keeping them forever unless they are really hurting.
Same thing with doctors. When I was twelve, I was suffering from a recurring cough and went to a lung specialist who put me on an asma pump plus inhaler. I went to another doctor who perscribed pills and told me that the cough was due to the onset of menarche (she was right; the cough went away after I took the pills!)
My parents have the same type of experience with doctors and dentists. Mom went to get a cist on her neck removed and the doctor told her it was cancer! Luckily she has had many of these things before and told him not to worry, it is only a cist.
Do you guys have similar experiences or is it that doctors in the US are crooks? All they care about is money and the first thing they will tell a patient is "you need to have surgery", even if it is a minute thing. I hesitate to think whether this is because they are crooks/money hungry or perhaps they are simply not properly trained. What do you think?
That is how the monopoly works in the United States. We all seem to care more about money than the actual person, and they don't mind stooping to levels where they can con other people.
My father was a doctor. He was also a real human being, at least when it came to his patients (not so much when it came to his family). He told me it was rather common for other doctors to do unnecessary surgery, just to make more money. He was the only one protesting this at his hospital - it really made him mad. But nobody else cared - the rest just kept quiet.
Also, when I was a kid, I kept getting cavities for a while. Then we switched dentists, and I mysteriously never had any more cavities. Interesting coincidence, huh? (No, I don't think my diet or oral hygiene changed one bit, so that's not the reason - I think the previous dentist was a criminal who should have all his teeth ripped out without anesthesia).
Ever since then, I basically don't trust doctors or dentists. I wonder what tiny percentage of people go into medicine or dentistry out of a deep love of humanity and desire to ease the suffering of total strangers? Nah - almost all of them are in it for the money, and the way the system is set up, they get paid for "treating" you - the more, the better (unless they work for an HMO or some national health systems - then you have the opposite problem - they get penalized for treating you). How convenient that they are also the ones diagnosing! It's the same conflict of interest or corrupt incentive we have with auto mechanics. Who really knows if what they're telling you is true? How do you know?
To me it's absolutely outrageous that doctors and dentists would cheat. It's one thing to rip people off on unnecessary car maintenance or repairs, quite another to cut people open unnecessarily, or "forget to remove foreign objects before sewing someone back up", therefor necessitating another profitable surgery. There should be extremely severe penalties for this kind of thing (along the lines of ripping their teeth out without anesthesia), but there aren't, so this stuff happens constantly.
There is also the problem that medicine is still more "art" than "science". There is a legitimate grey area where one doctor will say "this situation warrants surgery" while another would say "I think we should wait and see", etc. We're really only still emerging from the Dark Ages here. Someday people will look back in horror at our medical care - like we do to the medieval doctors that sawed people's limbs off w/out anesthetic, or tried to cure people by bleeding them to death, etc.
Don't even get me started on the pharmaceutical companies. They have no interest in curing anyone - no profit in that! Much better if they can just "treat" your illness, optimally requiring a lifetime prescription to their drugs. Even better if their drug causes horrible side effects or even new illnesses, which they can then sell you even more drugs for. Better too, if they can get you addicted to the drug, so that even if you want to quit it, it will be a horrible experience, or just impossible.
Government is supposed to look out for the general welfare of the people by regulating and overseeing industry - but do they? On the contrary, they allow the food supply to become so polluted (just one example: High Fructose Corn Syrup & Partially Hydrogenated Oil in practically EVERYTHING???) that everyone is getting fat, old and sick long before their time. So Big Food makes money, Big Pharma makes money, but the people suffer and the nation goes bankrupt paying for "health care".
What an insane world. Or is it me?
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it is all of us who believe in the golden rule, which is a tiny fraction of the total world population. for the most part, everybody is in it for themselves and screw everybody else.
it has long been known that the love of money [and power] is the root of all evil, that money and power tend to corrupt, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. our present world system is morally bankrupt and subject to crash at any time. i wish i could be someplace else when this happens.
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i have a dentist appointment on monday to get one of my teeth taken care of. im so nervous!
i've had about 15 fillings so i know its going to hurt especially those damn novacine shots they give you. i'll be shure to take my stuffed
with me to get me through that most unpleasant experiance
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This is patently untrue - c- section increases the risk of maternal death 3-5 X
World health organization recommends c-section rates should not excede 10%
C-section increases the risk of uterine rupture for future pregnancy
c-section is considered a major abdominal surgery - elective c-section (those other 30-39% of births) - is niether safe nor in the best interests of the mother or baby - they are done out of convienence for the doctors and hospitals and out of for profit motives.
This is well documented.
Midwives reffer for c-section at a rate of 1%-5%
Midwives promote that natural birth is safer and healthier this is supported by the world health organization.
get your facts straight
i've had about 15 fillings so i know its going to hurt especially those damn novacine shots they give you. i'll be shure to take my stuffed
15 fillings?? Are you drinking sugary drinks all day long, or sucking on a lot of hard candies (with sugar), etc.? If not, maybe you just have a crooked dentist. If I were you I would schedule an appointment with another dentist for a second opinion, and then reschedule (or just cancel) your first appointment. Be sure you know exactly which tooth the first dentist wants to drill.
In my experience, one dentist will want to drill and fill while another will say "no, it's not that bad - we can wait and see - be sure you brush, floss and use anti-cavity rinse every night, eat and drink less sugary stuff and take calcium and magnesium and vitamin D supplements - your teeth can "re-mineralize", i.e., the cavity can heal.
This is patently untrue - c- section increases the risk of maternal death 3-5 X
World health organization recommends c-section rates should not excede 10%
C-section increases the risk of uterine rupture for future pregnancy
c-section is considered a major abdominal surgery - elective c-section (those other 30-39% of births) - is niether safe nor in the best interests of the mother or baby - they are done out of convienence for the doctors and hospitals and out of for profit motives.
This is well documented.
Midwives reffer for c-section at a rate of 1%-5%
Midwives promote that natural birth is safer and healthier this is supported by the world health organization.
get your facts straight
I'd have to agree - when in doubt, the natural way is always better/safer. But I also heard that the rise of C-sections is due to the increasing maternal obesity, which makes natural birth more difficult/dangerous? Do you know about this?
