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03 Nov 2010, 3:21 pm

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I have been looking on the web for possible picture comparisons of brain scans between autistic brains and NT's. I know there have been recent studies on this and I was hoping there might be some pictures to go along with it. I think it would be wonderful to hold up a picture of a brain scan of someone with Asperger's and tell people that this is what my brain looks like. Then hold up a picture of a NT's brain scan and say that is what their brain looks like.

Of course I know it's not just a picture of brains, but how the brain reacts to outside stimuli. I think?

Any information would be wonderful.


do NTs have brains? 8O :mrgreen:


They do, but theirs are mostly devoted to emotion and social interaction. This may be why the NT thought pattern is typically illogical and disorganized.



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03 Nov 2010, 3:28 pm

Actually, they do.
It seems more sturdy connected to the nerve pathways.
This results into them thinking they are more empathic compared to autistics, this because their body's move more along with their thinking. (eg, facial expressions and fluttering intonation)
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03 Nov 2010, 3:34 pm

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To answer the original ?. There have been numerous studies using Brain SPECT imaging on autism. SPECT scans show the level of blood flow to the areas of the brain. It has been determined that autistic children have presented consistently with a decrease in blood flow in the temporal area, various degrees of hypoperfusion in the parietal / occipital area and the cerebellum vermis. There has often been an increase of blood flow in the frontal lobes which is consistent with ADD on the hyperactivity end. (if you go to NeuroSPECTofFlorida, there is a full scientific research article on the subject.)


I hope this helps.

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Autism, 16 years old boy. Tc99m HMPAO brain perfusion SPECT demonstrates decreased brain function in the following areas:L Color Blue, < 2 SD Normal Mean), Frontal lobes: Area M, para saggital section of areas 8 and 9 of Brodmann. Area 10. Temporal Lobes: Area 38, anterior Temporal, and 22. There is also hypoperfusion in occipital lobes, Visual association areas, both posterior Parietal areas and cerebellar Vermis and mesial aspects of both cerebellar lobes. Finally there is mild increase of perfusion in Area 24, anterior cyngulate in the left hemisphere. (Color Silver >2SD Normal Mean.[b]



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15 Nov 2010, 11:00 am

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I took a picture through my ear though, it's a bit dark, but it looks like this:
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:twisted: Fear the aspie brain!


You should really get your ears suringed to get the dust out of there. :lol:



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15 Apr 2011, 12:16 pm

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How can that big brain fit into my tiny pea-head?


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15 Apr 2011, 2:05 pm

I wonder what my brain would look like if it got scanned?



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15 Apr 2011, 2:12 pm

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At first sight, I don't believe the brains look all that different, which has been one of the perplexing things about autism...that is, if you had two brains in a jar and one was autistic and the other wasn't, I don't think you'd see a difference...generally speaking.

However differences can be observed in activity levels and regions of the brain that react in response to certain stimulus, as well as subtle and not so subtle differences in sizes of certain regions and microscopic matter structures, as well as differences in the changes of the brain that are seen as people age.

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http://sfari.org/news/-/asset_publisher ... ith-autism
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http://www.pathfinder-brain-spect.net/i ... ons/autism


I've read that they've actually also done studies where the normal face-processing areas of the brain do light up for autistic people. The difference? Someone actually bothered to make sure (probably using eye tracking) that they were looking at the faces when their brains were being scanned.


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15 Apr 2011, 2:18 pm

NeuroSPECT wrote:
To answer the original ?. There have been numerous studies using Brain SPECT imaging on autism. SPECT scans show the level of blood flow to the areas of the brain. It has been determined that autistic children have presented consistently with a decrease in blood flow in the temporal area, various degrees of hypoperfusion in the parietal / occipital area and the cerebellum vermis. There has often been an increase of blood flow in the frontal lobes which is consistent with ADD on the hyperactivity end. (if you go to NeuroSPECTofFlorida, there is a full scientific research article on the subject.)


I hope this helps.

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Autism, 16 years old boy. Tc99m HMPAO brain perfusion SPECT demonstrates decreased brain function in the following areas:L Color Blue, < 2 SD Normal Mean), Frontal lobes: Area M, para saggital section of areas 8 and 9 of Brodmann. Area 10. Temporal Lobes: Area 38, anterior Temporal, and 22. There is also hypoperfusion in occipital lobes, Visual association areas, both posterior Parietal areas and cerebellar Vermis and mesial aspects of both cerebellar lobes. Finally there is mild increase of perfusion in Area 24, anterior cyngulate in the left hemisphere. (Color Silver >2SD Normal Mean.[b]


Of course, using SPECT to diagnose brain-related conditions other than epilepsy (and that only at some specific times, not all the time) and a few others is highly questionable scientifically, which is the reason that SPECTs aren't used all over the place to diagnose autism, but only in a fairly small number of places. Worse, I actually saw the SPECT place that I was scanned at, take several different people who were definitively diagnosed with autism and AS and re-diagnose them with something entirely different based only on the SPECT and not on their actual traits. (This includes brain injury, ADD, and drug abuse, among other things. The person accused of drug abuse had never touched brain-altering drugs, legal or illegal, in his life. The person accused of brain injury had no reason at that time for such a severe injury to have happened. There's a reason that particular SPECT center had an awful reputation among parents of disabled children in the area.)


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15 Apr 2011, 3:46 pm

Ohh this thread is too complicated to read :)


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15 Apr 2011, 5:47 pm

There have been various different findings on how an autistic brain differs from the NT brain. Some individuals or groups have had structural abnormalities (that can be detected with a static MRI scan), but others haven't. None of the other abnormalities have been "universal" enough either (which supports the thought that autism doesn't have one true cause). Now they're looking into diffusion tensor imaging - the Lange-Lainhart test.

Not that that's breaking news. Some years back, they claimed to have discovered that people with AS, Tourette's and ADHD had dysfunction in the same part of the brain. There may have been some truth to it, but it was apparently not a good enough way to identify those conditions.


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15 Apr 2011, 11:21 pm

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aspi-rant wrote:
SteamPowerDev wrote:
I have been looking on the web for possible picture comparisons of brain scans between autistic brains and NT's. I know there have been recent studies on this and I was hoping there might be some pictures to go along with it. I think it would be wonderful to hold up a picture of a brain scan of someone with Asperger's and tell people that this is what my brain looks like. Then hold up a picture of a NT's brain scan and say that is what their brain looks like.

Of course I know it's not just a picture of brains, but how the brain reacts to outside stimuli. I think?

Any information would be wonderful.


do NTs have brains? 8O :mrgreen:


They do, but theirs are mostly devoted to emotion and social interaction. This may be why the NT thought pattern is typically illogical and disorganized.


If you compared our brains to a school, ours would be the class rooms while theirs would be the play ground. :)



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16 Apr 2011, 4:24 am

Did none of you have a brain scan when you were Dx'd? 8O

Both me and my son had one done. I asked if I could get a picture of my brain but I never asked after for it after as the process was so horrible at the time. I suppose I could ask them for it and post on here for comparative purposes? :D

They said my brain looked 'normal, ' whatever that means.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:10 pm

here is my aspie brain... scanned when i was Dx'ed.

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01 Jun 2011, 5:24 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 49090.html


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