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09 Nov 2010, 8:24 pm

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I'm not clear on whether this person we are talking about actually exists or if he is a hypothetical character.

He really, truly, actually exists. And I don't particularly want to interview him (for all of the reasons stated). I probably *will* interview him (also for all of the reasons stated). I hear -- and I mean I truly hear -- so many people saying "I can't get a job" for whatever seemingly-AS-related reason, even though these people can do the work. Personally, I have blown SO many interviews for those same reasons, even though I could do the work. Now that I'm in a position to kind of "make things right" and give someone a chance who wouldn't ordinarily be given one, I've got to tell you that it's incredibly tempting. I just want to know what all of you would do in the same situation.


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09 Nov 2010, 8:33 pm

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Why would I want to do that to them, remembering how much it hurt me in the past, when they were doing that to me?

Well, one reason comes immediately to mind: if *I* don't hire the "weird guy," who will? The NT applicant has a *far* better chance of getting a job, in general -- just maybe not from me. He'll get the next job he interviews for. The "weird guy" will not. He will stay unemployed for reasons that are both illegitimate and beyond his control.


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09 Nov 2010, 8:46 pm

I know where you are coming from. If it was me I'd hire based on their skills and passion. Who is going to do the best job to the best of their ability.
I wouldn't want someone to do the job if they're texting their friends or sneaking off to Facebook every 10 minutes when I'm not looking. And then afterwards complain to people that they hate their job that isn't too hard for them, just long and boring.

People already hire on personal preferences, especially high social skills so what's wrong with doing that in your own way?
If it's a job that requires communication skills go with the bubbly social NT. If it requires technical knowledge or to have a lot of experience in one area that this 'weird' person fits then hire them.
Just choose whoever best fits the job description and is most suited for the role.


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09 Nov 2010, 8:59 pm

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Who is going to do the best job to the best of their ability.

Generally, almost impossible to know in my experience.

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Just choose whoever best fits the job description and is most suited for the role.

It's more like this: they're both lawyers and accountants; they're both actually over-qualified for the job; and the NT is much more "presentable," which is something that is generally appreciated (but not absolutely required -- they hired me!) in my office.


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09 Nov 2010, 9:15 pm

I might be misunderstanding the situation here, but I don't think you'd be making anything "right" by turning away candidate A because he played sports at university and accepting candidate B because he forgot to tie his shoelaces. It seems just as superficial and arbitrary as doing the opposite.



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09 Nov 2010, 9:32 pm

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It seems just as superficial and arbitrary as doing the opposite.

That's probably what's driving my feelings on this: people are "doing the opposite" in offices all over the world countless times every single day -- superficially and arbitrarily, exactly as you say.


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09 Nov 2010, 10:06 pm

If I were in the position, I would probably discriminate against people with lots of experience but little to no education since I'm in the reverse situation and can't find a job :D

Seriously, I'd probably give the job to someone fresh out of college with a fairly high GPA but minimal work experience (maybe one or two summers working at a fast food joint).



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09 Nov 2010, 10:15 pm

The NT guy might be a really nice guy. You don't know unless you talk with him. I never liked sporty types in high school but now that I teach in one I see them differently and being on teams and understanding social stuff doesn't make them bad people or bullies. I've seen some really kind-hearted kids on the football team - even among the popular, good looking ones. You have nothing to lose by interviewing the guy.



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10 Nov 2010, 7:27 am

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Would you hire the guy or girl that picked on you mercilessly in junior high???

You guys are taking my original question a bit too literally. (My fault.) I'm just assuming -- maybe not fairly -- that a guy who became president of his fraternity and played on three varsity sports probably made the life of someone like me or you pretty miserable at some point. I'm not suggesting that someone specific who bullied me in junior high has now come to me for a job. My point is that this guy probably bullied one of the 41,313 (as of 7:05 EST) of you. And that pisses me off. No, probably not enough not to hire him. But still...

To answer a couple of questions hanging out there: yes, I have the "power" (for lack of a better word) to fire these people; and insubordination is not necessary -- if you're in the U.S., then it's very likely that you work "at will" meaning that you can be fired for no reason at all.


I am not sure I like the question. "Would you hire the guy who picked on you in high scool?" I am aspie. But I am very athletically built and so people may look at me and think "he's the guy in school who always got picked first, was popular, and probably had loads of girls." I was nothing like that in school.

I remember in some of my jobs I have been picked on by fat and average looking bosses. And I wondered if they saw me as the guy in school who they were jealous of. So I hate the question you are asking because I think it would be wrong to even entertain the idea that you would discriminate based on school issues.

Just because someone was on the sports teams doesn't mean they are bullies. And remember a lot of people make stuff up on their resume.



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10 Nov 2010, 10:48 pm

I worked in HR for the last company I worked for. We had two candidates 1. Had had a severe mental breakdown and was on medications seeing a therapist but had experience. The other was a bright young college student.

Here is what I told my boss. Yes the college student looks great but consider the next job that offers more money he'll take and then we'll be out an employee. He won't have any loyalty to the company because his prospects are so good. The candidate who had the mental breakdown is getting help, has experience and will always be grateful we gave him a chance. He will be more loyal and less likely to quit. He will work harder to prove himself and will come in and do his best because he knows not many would hire him.

I was right. He worked long and hard for 3 yrs and was a great employee. When my husband was gone out of town he even came by to help when my car broke down. We were a small company and it was more like a family.

Chose carefully also the Aspie can be sent to classes such as professional dress, business ettiquette and etc. He may end up more loyal and work harder b/c of his personal failings.



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10 Nov 2010, 11:51 pm

No. I would not.


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11 Nov 2010, 6:51 am

Yes it is a question of whats right and ethical, a strength of many aspies.

I have missed out on a lot of jobs and have been pushed out of many others. Not because of my work performance but because of bullying.
I spent a long time out of work, not trying for fear the past would repeat all over. I think an NT wouldn't hesitate to discriminate against an aspie, I can't see them thinking twice. They would choose their fellow NT type regardless of qualification because they need to socialise and get alone with everone. Many a well qualified aspie has missed out on jobs because of this.
I was fortunate to be in a position to choose who was hired for production work. I can happily say I chose the aspie, considering his qualifications were satisfactory. Aspies do make great emlpoyees. we somtimes don't get the chance to prove it.