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13 Nov 2010, 12:36 am

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If you have a 200 IQ and cant tie your shoes, what can your IQ do for you or others?


I don't know Stephen Hawking's IQ but I doubt he can tie his shoes...if that's your measure.


hahahaa! sweet!! !
my mum sees stephen hawking all the time and apparenetly he is very rude...

I still think he's brilliant.

Oh and IQ...really don't care. Even if I had a 160 IQ my executive dysfunction would still hold me back. I have an average IQ and I'm doing alright, minus those issues I have because of autism and ADHD.


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13 Nov 2010, 1:26 am

They are good for what they are. Why so many people don't understand the simple concept of correlation?



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13 Nov 2010, 1:46 am

I have a slightly high IQ, but it doesn't mean much to me and I rarely tell people (only if they ask). The things you get tested on aren't important to me and I remember being very disappointed that not one question referred to any kind of knowledge that I find valuable. Many people are REALLY smart and just have no use for the kind of things they test on an IQ test, so they'd probably do badly on the test. Who makes IQ tests anyway? Who gets to decide what you have to know to be smart? IQ tests are stupid. :lol:



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13 Nov 2010, 3:53 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3oeBAvVzRU[/youtube]

BTW, my IQ tests always came back stating that I was basicaly ret*d.


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13 Nov 2010, 5:33 pm

Corp900 wrote:
If you have a 200 IQ and cant tie your shoes, what can your IQ do for you or others?


I didn't learn to tie my shoes until 6th grade. I research quantum computers. What in the hell does tying your shoes mean for what you can and cannot do for the world? Stephen Hawking can't tie his shoes, either.

(BTW: Since I'm sure that you, as a troll, are going to go look at my profile, see undiagnosed, and dismiss me as a fake Aspie, know that I am in the process of getting a diagnosis. The psych agrees with my self-assessment, telling me things I already know like telling me that my reading patterns as a child is hyperlexia which is a spectrum trait, and I am just playing the insurance approval waiting game before we trek onwards with testing.)



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13 Nov 2010, 9:05 pm

It holds a desperate weight for me. I cling to it.



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13 Nov 2010, 9:34 pm

IQ correlates to how well one does in school.

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13 Nov 2010, 10:42 pm

There's a thing called Threshold of Intelligence. It basically says that once you get to a certain IQ level there's really no added benefit being any higher on the scale. I believe it's about 120.

But regardless, IQ tests are still culturally biased and they only measure school smarts.



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13 Nov 2010, 10:46 pm

Andie09 wrote:
There's a thing called Threshold of Intelligence. It basically says that once you get to a certain IQ level there's really no added benefit being any higher on the scale. I believe it's about 120.

Interesting idea, although I'm not sure if I completely agree with it (that said, I'm a layman with no education in psychology ;) .)

I do, however agree that there is an "ideal" IQ range, skewed just above the mean. You've got the intelligence needed to succeed, without being crippled by the negative effects of high intelligence (poor social skills, difficulty connecting to people, boredom, isolation, etc.)

The test itself, however, is culturally biased, and random online tests don't really tell you anything.


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14 Nov 2010, 12:16 am

Also, for people with ASDs, the specific IQ test you take makes a huge difference in your score. Kids with classic autism who take the Raven's Progressive Matrices IQ test do much better on it than the WAIC, going up an average of 30 percent, and with a third in the 90th or better percentile and only 5 percent remained in the "mental retardation" range while 1 in 3 were according to the WAIS. One kid went from the "mental retardation" range on the WAIS to the 94th percentile on the Raven's! Another study using the Raven's, by an entirely different group of researchers, concluded that kids with Asperger's have superior fluid intelligence to neurotypical children.



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14 Nov 2010, 4:49 am

poppy-lou wrote:
Janissy wrote:
Corp900 wrote:
If you have a 200 IQ and cant tie your shoes, what can your IQ do for you or others?


I don't know Stephen Hawking's IQ but I doubt he can tie his shoes...if that's your measure.


hahahaa! sweet!! !
my mum sees stephen hawking all the time and apparenetly he is very rude...


And so pretentious. Born and raised a Brit but he speaks with an American accent.


:lol:

In my first year a senior school (about 12 years of age) the class did an IQ test. I don't remember my score but the teacher laughed and said only 1 in 16,000 has a score that high. Implying to everyone that I either cheated or had some very lucky quesses. I rate myself as having average intelligence.



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14 Nov 2010, 4:58 am

IQ is the best predictor of how well you will do in employment apparently.



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14 Nov 2010, 5:24 am

J0lt wrote:
I research quantum computers.

That is cool.

PunkyKat wrote:
BTW, my IQ tests always came back stating that I was basicaly ret*d.


IQ tests are made for NT's, so if you don't communicate well enough or have a basic general knowledge you'll score poorly in them. As for me I looked around the room and stimmed and was diagnosed with severe depression. Go figure? I didn't have glasses then and I was feeling stressed out so that may have contributed to my misdiagnoses.


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14 Nov 2010, 10:49 am

There is very strong evidence that IQ is correlated with your success in life. This applies across the board. Some people claim that it's biased. If true then it's biased towards people who are pre-disposed for success, which means that it is still a useful measurement.

Bear in mind that this is a statistical correlation. That means someone with a 200 IQ who can't tie his shoes might be an abject failure in life. But his odds of that outcome are less than the guy with a 70 IQ who can tie his shoes. And vice versa: a low IQ scoring person could be a huge success, but the odds of that are lower. It's always important to never apply statistical conclusions to individuals, only to populations.



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14 Nov 2010, 11:44 am

I think of IQ as a measure of awareness that is useful in seeing more as obvious. This can give you a competitive advantage or paralyze you with TMI. I have done more with athletism and persistence than any intelligence I might have.



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14 Nov 2010, 12:45 pm

theexternvoid wrote:
There is very strong evidence that IQ is correlated with your success in life. This applies across the board. Some people claim that it's biased. If true then it's biased towards people who are pre-disposed for success, which means that it is still a useful measurement.

Bear in mind that this is a statistical correlation. That means someone with a 200 IQ who can't tie his shoes might be an abject failure in life. But his odds of that outcome are less than the guy with a 70 IQ who can tie his shoes. And vice versa: a low IQ scoring person could be a huge success, but the odds of that are lower. It's always important to never apply statistical conclusions to individuals, only to populations.


IQ (on its own) rarely matters unless it's ridiculously low or ridiculously high, which translates to IQ being irrelevant to most of us in the middle. Oddly enough, you chose to give examples of people who are on the opposite extremes end of the spectrum.

I'd also like you to let you know that we don't all share your definition of "success." I know a lot of people like to equate "money" (and sometimes "fame") with "success," but sheesh. It's this kind of idiocies that makes me hate people.