when someone with AS lacks common sense, is this typical?

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16 Nov 2010, 4:43 pm

I think everyone lacks common sense. Common sense just means what lot of people would figure out on their own without being told. But hey when you read about stupid things people do like dumbest consumer reports or dumbest 911 calls or customer complaints, you will see how much common sense some people can lack and it might shock you because even you are smarter than that and wouldn't be that dumb. I have often thought "is this for real?" because I didn't think anyone be that dumb so I thought they were just fooling around. But no I got told it is real and some people are actually that stupid.

The only reason why people say we lack it is because we take things literal, we don't pick up on cues or learn things on our own and we have to be taught them or told about it. Only way we learn on our own is reading about it. I am talking about social skills of course.



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16 Nov 2010, 5:36 pm

I think that rigid or blank and white thinking had frequently caused me to seem lacking common sense.

An example will be coming up with a solution that takes a lot of effort, but get's the job done. Then someone comes along (when I'm moments from finishing) and suggests another approach that would have been much easier. Not thinking of that easier solution makes me think I would come across as not having common sense.



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16 Nov 2010, 5:45 pm

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Common sense doesn't exist.

"Black people are inherently inferior to white people" used to be common sense.
"People in town have been seeing weird things. It must be witchcraft!" used to be common sense. (Back when ergot poisoning on wheat was a common problem and people didn't even know about ergot poisoning.)
"Those who disagree with the Church are evil heretics who should be burned before they lead everyone on the path to hell" used to be common sense.

When someone says "common sense" they mean "do it/believe it because everyone else does."


You're talking about conventional wisdom, which isn't the same as common sense.

Knowing that you should put your pants on before your shoes is common sense, thinking that wearing pants made of organic cotton is good for the earth is conventional wisdom.

For the most part, common sense is correct, whereas conventional wisdom need have no basis in truth to be perpetuated.



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16 Nov 2010, 6:51 pm

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all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.


Nice. Thank you for calling me a ret*d. (By the way I have qualified for Mensa. So much for your theory.)
Common sense in most places I have looked it up basically means, "what the average common people would agree on." Sorry I don't agree with many average common people.



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16 Nov 2010, 9:01 pm

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all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.


Nice. Thank you for calling me a ret*d. (By the way I have qualified for Mensa. So much for your theory.)
Common sense in most places I have looked it up basically means, "what the average common people would agree on." Sorry I don't agree with many average common people.


can you bother to read the full thread before jumping on your high horse? retardation was, first of all, not meant in any "mental retardation sense", i meant it as lack of logic, since if you had bothered to read the rest, i had no freaking idea what the word meant, as i had always infered common sense was another word for logic, as i am french, which also explains why i have no idea what mensa is.
is it a sort of period pad for men?



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16 Nov 2010, 9:04 pm

ediself wrote:
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Common sense is so conformist. :P


lol wait now i'm totally confused ! !
do i have maybe the wrong definition of "common sense"? i thought it was another word for "logic"! maybe because i'm french and i got mixed up?


Actually we tend to be more naive. Some AS people lack common sense, but so do some neurotypicals.

See politicians.



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16 Nov 2010, 9:15 pm

It depends what you mean by "common sense".

I thought "common sense" meant something like "obvious" in some cases. For example you have to go from point A to point B, there is 2 roads, both are fine but Road 1 is much shorter then Road 2, common sense would dictate to use Road 1 (unless for some reason you need time to think about something before getting to your destination, or you are not in a hurry and simply want to take your time, then you could take the longer road). But if you want to get to your destination as quickly as possible then the obvious solution would be to take Road 1.

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16 Nov 2010, 9:19 pm

question : do aspies lack common sense?
answers: define "common sense"?
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that WAS a pretty unclear question.....



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16 Nov 2010, 9:35 pm

people with AS just tend to operate outside of social construct, which involves "common sense."

if an individual were to doubt all social truths that have been hard-wired into him, he might arrive where we are. but the truth which he believes to be "common sense" is actually social conditioning, and the idea to actually QUESTION such a significant aspect of his identity (he is a social creature, after all) likely won't occur. society is in a state of self-deceit to avoid the chaos of abandoning its very essence, and since most individuals find a secure identity in something of a social bible... to abandon this would be to lose the identity, to cease to exist at all. i think that many individuals with AS, absorbed into personal worlds, were impervious to the impact of social conditioning and therefore lack "common sense," which truly aught to be scrutinized as skeptically as the christian bible. it's virtually the same, just on a larger, vaguer and less tangible scale.



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16 Nov 2010, 9:56 pm

Well I have been given a lot of incredulous looks from people who go on to say 'how could you not know to do that?'
I believe this thing I was supposed to know to do would have required me to have some common sense in this area.

Not touching a hot plate is common sense.
Not looking at the Sun is common sense.
Not walking through traffic without looking is common sense.

I have lacked that bit of knowledge at times.

To me common sense means knowledge a person over a certain age should know from experience, or just picking it up from parents, siblings or friends.
I'm not sure if common sense applies to the knowledge of social rules, like knowing when it's your turn to speak or talking about appropriate things.

But I also think people do make up their own common sense rules nowadays, especially when they are insulting you.

In closing I might add I have some sense but I most certainly am not common.


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16 Nov 2010, 10:03 pm

ediself wrote:
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all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.


Nice. Thank you for calling me a ret*d. (By the way I have qualified for Mensa. So much for your theory.)
Common sense in most places I have looked it up basically means, "what the average common people would agree on." Sorry I don't agree with many average common people.


can you bother to read the full thread before jumping on your high horse? retardation was, first of all, not meant in any "mental retardation sense", i meant it as lack of logic, since if you had bothered to read the rest, i had no freaking idea what the word meant, as i had always infered common sense was another word for logic, as i am french, which also explains why i have no idea what mensa is.
is it a sort of period pad for men?


Since "lack of logic" isn't even close to any understood meanings of "retardation" in any language, perhaps it is you who should hop off the horse. MENSA is the international society for people with high IQs, the French included (in theory.)



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17 Nov 2010, 12:41 am

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can you bother to read the full thread


Common sense would have dictated I should have read the full thread. But I didn't. I can understand how someone who is not a native english speaker might think 'common sense' and 'logic' mean the same thing. Going on just the words alone they do sound similiar. It's the connotations behind them that are different. I understand where you are coming from.

Sorry if I offended you.



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17 Nov 2010, 12:50 am

KakashiYay wrote:
ediself wrote:
Cash__ wrote:
ediself wrote:
all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.


Nice. Thank you for calling me a ret*d. (By the way I have qualified for Mensa. So much for your theory.)
Common sense in most places I have looked it up basically means, "what the average common people would agree on." Sorry I don't agree with many average common people.


can you bother to read the full thread before jumping on your high horse? retardation was, first of all, not meant in any "mental retardation sense", i meant it as lack of logic, since if you had bothered to read the rest, i had no freaking idea what the word meant, as i had always infered common sense was another word for logic, as i am french, which also explains why i have no idea what mensa is.
is it a sort of period pad for men?


Since "lack of logic" isn't even close to any understood meanings of "retardation" in any language, perhaps it is you who should hop off the horse. MENSA is the international society for people with high IQs, the French included (in theory.)

Whoa, chill people. Retardation has not always applied to being intellectually disabled. I'm sure our French friend didn't mean to offend.


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17 Nov 2010, 4:34 am

I really didn't mean to offfend, and sorry for the harsh answer, in my defense it was 3 AM and i tend to get very impulsive and irritable when i'm tired....
i really meant my sentence in a way that in my head roughly translated as "lack of logic is an impairment", but yes, it came out wrong.
as for mensa......
a club? really? a club for high IQs? so you go, give them your IQ tests results, and get a card? what the...
( there, you see, i'm starting again. need-more-coffee....)



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17 Nov 2010, 5:44 am

Common sense is the reason most people would think the Earth was "flat" if no one ever told them otherwise.

In other words, common sense can be wrong.

Whether a significant number of those with AS lack common sense, I don't think one can really say. However I do think it more likely that a person with AS only appears to lack common sense due to mis-interpretation of the situation or difficulty with expression.

There are also many situation in which one falsely perceives something to be a matter of "common sense" due to their familiarity with it.



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17 Nov 2010, 7:29 am

I think the OP was referring to the posts of Corp900 where the "common sense" take all the meaning


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