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27 Nov 2010, 10:19 pm

I never thought of it the way you describe, but oh yesssss it happens to me very often, almost every day, and often more then once the same day. Sometimes it seems more meaningful then others.

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- I am reading the forums here and watching a movie at the same time ... just as I read the name Einstein here (on someone's post) I see Einstein in the movie (and it wasn't a thread about Einstein, nor a movie about Einstein) - This kind of "timing" happens to me allllll the time

- Looking at the clock at the exact same time days in a row, for example I look at the clock one day and it is 2:22 ... next day I turn my head to look at the clock, again 2:22 ... etc it can happen many days in a row and during a long period

- Mentioning or thinking of a person I haven't seen or heard of in a long time and then hearing about that person just a few minutes or hour later, whether I get an email, or I see the person on TV, or see big news about the person, etc
(example, a little while ago for no known reason, I thought of Martin Short, then just a few minutes later I hear the news about his wife)

- There is also the timing when saying the same word or express the same thing with very similar words as another person I am talking with, I mean when it is not obvious from the conversation that we would think of this exact same thing at that moment


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28 Nov 2010, 1:25 am

CaroleTucson wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
A well known fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc

After this therefore because of this.



In other words, confusing correlation with cause-and-effect. Two things could happen with "synchronicity" a million times in a row, a billion times in a row, but still have no connection to each other whatsoever.

This has been the source of pseudo-sciences like astrology and like-minded things throughout the ages.


I think in most cases the experience of synchronicity is an indication that we are fully aware of our environment and our mind is doing a good job comparing the past with the present, noting things out of the ordinary, so we can safely move towards the future. Some of the sychronicities we experience may not be as improbable as they seem, considering the amount of information most of us are exposed to.

I think the "beautiful experiment" in quantum physics indicates there is some kind of natural human energy that alters matter beyond our physical bodies. I think it is possible that this may add a physical, causal component to some of the common synchronicities that we can only explain as instinct or coincidence. I'm not sure I have enough posts to provide a link but if you google "beautiful experiment" I'm sure you will agree that the results of the experiment are interesting.



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28 Nov 2010, 4:16 am

aghogday wrote:
CaroleTucson wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
A well known fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc

After this therefore because of this.



In other words, confusing correlation with cause-and-effect. Two things could happen with "synchronicity" a million times in a row, a billion times in a row, but still have no connection to each other whatsoever.

This has been the source of pseudo-sciences like astrology and like-minded things throughout the ages.


I think in most cases the experience of synchronicity is an indication that we are fully aware of our environment and our mind is doing a good job comparing the past with the present, noting things out of the ordinary, so we can safely move towards the future. Some of the sychronicities we experience may not be as improbable as they seem, considering the amount of information most of us are exposed to.

I think the "beautiful experiment" in quantum physics indicates there is some kind of natural human energy that alters matter beyond our physical bodies. I think it is possible that this may add a physical, causal component to some of the common synchronicities that we can only explain as instinct or coincidence. I'm not sure I have enough posts to provide a link but if you google "beautiful experiment" I'm sure you will agree that the results of the experiment are interesting.



Quantum physics applies to subatomic particles. It has nothing whatsoever to do with instances of accidently looking at the clock at the same time two days in a row.

How ironic that in a thread addressing the subject of drawing fantastically unwarranted conclusions, people should invoke a very specific experiment and somehow think that it explains utterly unrelated phenomena.



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28 Nov 2010, 6:32 am

CaroleTucson wrote:
Quantum physics applies to subatomic particles. It has nothing whatsoever to do with instances of accidently looking at the clock at the same time two days in a row.

How ironic that in a thread addressing the subject of drawing fantastically unwarranted conclusions, people should invoke a very specific experiment and somehow think that it explains utterly unrelated phenomena.


Personally I was simply referring to coincidences, I don't know if they are meaningful or not. Coincidences like the ones I mentioned, like the "Einstein" one, at other times I am reading and someone in the room or on TV will say the same word I am reading at that exact moment. It may be something that happens all the time but that not everyone notice. And about the clock, this happened to me a few times, lasting for a certain period of time, it can be 2-3 weeks (more or less) during which I will invariably look at the clock when it is, for example, 2:22, even waking up at night it will be 2:22, I may look at the clock a few times a day but during those periods I will consistently look at the clock whenever it is 2:22. This could be either a coincidence, or me "programming" myself (self-hypnosis) unintentionally and the effect lasting for a little while.


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28 Nov 2010, 8:43 am

This kind of thing happens to me all the time. I think lots of people experience it but it would make sense that people on the spectrum would be very aware of it since there is often an almost subconscious and persistent search for patterns in the ASD mind.

Life goes a little smoother when you pay attention to the flow of events and synchronicity or lack thereof.

There need not be any reference to the supernatural. I think it's a very natural occurrence. But if it's easier for people to superimpose a supernatural paradigm on it, I see no harm in their beliefs.



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28 Nov 2010, 8:57 am

About Jung and synchronicity on Wikipedia:

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Even at Jung's presentation of his work on synchronicity in 1951 at an Eranos lecture his ideas on synchronicity were still evolving. Following discussions with both Albert Einstein and Wolfgang Pauli Jung believed that there were parallels between synchronicity and aspects of relativity theory and quantum mechanics. Jung was transfixed by the idea that life was not a series of random events but rather an expression of a deeper order. This deeper order led to the insights that a person was both embedded in an orderly framework and was the focus of that orderly framework and that the realisation of this was more than just an intellectual exercise but also having elements of a spiritual awakening. From the religious perspective synchronicity shares similar characteristics of an "intervention of grace". Jung also believed that synchronicity served a similar role in a person's life to dreams with the purpose of shifting a person's egocentric conscious thinking to greater wholeness.


Interesting, I need to read more about it.


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28 Nov 2010, 9:04 am

Shadi2 wrote:
About Jung and synchronicity on Wikipedia:

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Even at Jung's presentation of his work on synchronicity in 1951 at an Eranos lecture his ideas on synchronicity were still evolving. Following discussions with both Albert Einstein and Wolfgang Pauli Jung believed that there were parallels between synchronicity and aspects of relativity theory and quantum mechanics. Jung was transfixed by the idea that life was not a series of random events but rather an expression of a deeper order. This deeper order led to the insights that a person was both embedded in an orderly framework and was the focus of that orderly framework and that the realisation of this was more than just an intellectual exercise but also having elements of a spiritual awakening. From the religious perspective synchronicity shares similar characteristics of an "intervention of grace". Jung also believed that synchronicity served a similar role in a person's life to dreams with the purpose of shifting a person's egocentric conscious thinking to greater wholeness.


Interesting, I need to read more about it.


Yes, most interesting and meaningful to me. In a sense, reminds me of Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. There's much to express on this topic - compelling OP.


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28 Nov 2010, 9:22 am

G. K. Chesterton once wrote "Coincidences are spiritual puns."


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28 Nov 2010, 9:59 am

happymusic wrote:
Life goes a little smoother when you pay attention to the flow of events and synchronicity or lack thereof.

... I think it's a very natural occurrence. But if it's easier for people to superimpose a supernatural paradigm on it, I see no harm in their beliefs.

Yes, something like that ... and I do happen to believe "intelligent design" or "intelligent order" got it all started. Either way, however, the flow seems set -- no point in trying to get it altered -- and "paying attention" and not fighting against it always contribute toward our overall benefit.


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