Should NT's have their own diagnosis?

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29 Nov 2010, 2:18 pm

focusing on your last point for a bit: why do you think aspies don't have a meaningful range of gifts and abilities? we ARE all different ... i suck at house cleaning but i'm pretty sure some of us are good at it....
anyway, i understood your point, i was just stating how ironic it is that you tell us : don't generalise about NTs if you claim they shouldn't put you all in the same basket, because that attitude is not smart and if you claim to be smart you should be above this.
just shortening it a bit.
but i still do not agree as strange as it may seem to you. i am not saying it is smart, but i am not judging anyone or myself for it.
there are moments when you feel you have spent a lifetime accomodating people who in response reject you.
isn't desisting the smart thing to do, after a while? After, say, 30 years of bending over backwards to please and be accepted by people who don't even notice the effort, isn't starting to please yourself by allowing yourself to not be perfect anymore , a good thing?
it is selfish and it is lazy. But sometimes, I want to be selfish and i get tired of all the effort .



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29 Nov 2010, 2:40 pm

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It is amazing how many people here always claim that people should be more understanding and accept them instead of being ignorant, making generalisations and rejecting everyone just ebcause they are different but still treat other people that way.

Acting like that is neither wise nor intelligent.


I agree. Everyone seems to do that, and I would rather like it to stop.



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29 Nov 2010, 2:46 pm

ediself wrote:
focusing on your last point for a bit: why do you think aspies don't have a meaningful range of gifts and abilities? we ARE all different ... i suck at house cleaning but i'm pretty sure some of us are good at it....
anyway, i understood your point, i was just stating how ironic it is that you tell us : don't generalise about NTs if you claim they shouldn't put you all in the same basket, because that attitude is not smart and if you claim to be smart you should be above this.
just shortening it a bit.
but i still do not agree as strange as it may seem to you. i am not saying it is smart, but i am not judging anyone or myself for it.
there are moments when you feel you have spent a lifetime accomodating people who in response reject you.
isn't desisting the smart thing to do, after a while? After, say, 30 years of bending over backwards to please and be accepted by people who don't even notice the effort, isn't starting to please yourself by allowing yourself to not be perfect anymore , a good thing?
it is selfish and it is lazy. But sometimes, I want to be selfish and i get tired of all the effort .


I did not mean that Aspies did not have a meaningful range of abilities, just that we need everyone because, basically, people feel superior for some reasons, I guess we all do that to some extent toward someone (I know that I tend to and that I should not) and sometimes you can read about how meaningless is the life of a housecleaner though people who are good at cleaning are everywhere : in schools, in offices, at the doctor, etc and we truly need them.

And really, everyone has their ups and downs, sometimes we can't take enough and say things like this, but I felt that this place was a place where people were reflecting and informing other people in order to spread awareness and be more accepted (at least in important parts of the forum such as this one) so it is strange to read things like that. (at least, in my opinion).

That's all.



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29 Nov 2010, 2:52 pm

well you have a right to be unhappy but i still don't know why you needed to say that people who have had enough are not allowed to express it , and that people who think NTs can be extremely dumb are themselves stupid.
can i call you stupid for being intolerant to people who express their disgust at the intolerance of Nts, or would the loop get too ironic for comprehension?

edit: clearly, it's the "holier than thou" attitude that sets me off.



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29 Nov 2010, 3:00 pm

You can. You can also call me selfish and what you said about yourself because these seemed to be universal qualities.

(By the way, I am happy the way I am, thank you for your concern, you know that everyone does not find happiness the same way, we all need to behave in a way that will make us happier though it's true that killing one's neighbour may not be recommandable *this is a joke*.)

EDIT : I said that they have the right to express it but I think that this should be in other parts of the forum which allow less seriousness (I do not know whether this word exists in English, I apologise) because this place is more about informing people and spreading awareness or understanding.
I also think that one can express their annoyance to someone else in real life, etc. I told you, I just have an opinion or a feeling about the organisation of this forum and may be wrong. But I see these messages in places I expect to be more serious (except for obviously funny threads).



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29 Nov 2010, 3:03 pm

lostD wrote:
You can. You can also call me selfish and what you said about yourself because these seemed to be universal qualities.

(By the way, I am happy the way I am, thank you for your concern, you know that everyone does not find happiness the same way.)


wait what? i never said you were unhappy! ohhhh no, i meant "unhappy with what you are reading", not in life :lol: how should i know if you're happy or not....

edit: sorry i quoted before your edit :lol:



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29 Nov 2010, 3:09 pm

Oh ! Sorry for that, well, this is quite funny when I read it again. I thought that you thought I was unhappy because I did not express my annoyance more or something like that. This is the second time I misread something tonight, I apologise. You know, some people like to tell whether someone is happy or not so it made sense somehow. :lol:



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29 Nov 2010, 3:26 pm

lostD wrote:
You know, some people like to tell whether someone is happy or not so it made sense somehow. :lol:


you have too many NT aquaintances :P that's just a trick they use to make you lose mental balance....
ok so now i know exactly why you were annoyed. you know why i was annoyed. i didn't start this thread though so i think i shall stop hijacking it, and let it run its natural course, unless it's against your forum rules :lol:
( really joking there, don't get mad :P )



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29 Nov 2010, 5:55 pm

I'll go out and admit hate this thread. If we hate being stereotyped, why should we stereotype NTs? All the constant comments about all of them them being stupid, or illogical are a crock. I know many who do not fit those descriptions.



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29 Nov 2010, 6:07 pm

KissOfMarmaladeSky wrote:
lostD wrote:
It is amazing how many people here always claim that people should be more understanding and accept them instead of being ignorant, making generalisations and rejecting everyone just ebcause they are different but still treat other people that way.

Acting like that is neither wise nor intelligent.


I agree. Everyone seems to do that, and I would rather like it to stop.


I also agree.


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29 Nov 2010, 7:26 pm

I was thinking this thread was facetious in nature. It makes no sense to REALLY talk about a NT diagnosis. Yet it appears some are serious?


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29 Nov 2010, 7:31 pm

I'm also serious when I say that NT's should be diagnosed with NAS.



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29 Nov 2010, 7:41 pm

KissOfMarmaladeSky wrote:
lostD wrote:
It is amazing how many people here always claim that people should be more understanding and accept them instead of being ignorant, making generalisations and rejecting everyone just ebcause they are different but still treat other people that way.

Acting like that is neither wise nor intelligent.


I agree. Everyone seems to do that, and I would rather like it to stop.

Seconded. NT hate and saying there's something wrong with them just makes us like the people who pick on us.
NT is simply a non-autistic. You can't know what every non-autistic in the world is like. Some people with AS/biploar/ADHD get on my nerves. Some of them offend me. But not every single person with AS/Bipolar/ADHD gets on my nerves or offends me.


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29 Nov 2010, 9:15 pm

sooo.......basically you don't want to be looked down upon by people you look down upon and how dare they judge you while you are busy judging them? that just seems so wrong to me. each person is unique in their own way and they all reap what they sow. if you don't fit in with certain people why blame it on them being nt? do you think all nt's fit in with each other? people tend to be judgemental and it's definitely not just nts doing it. it's sad to come on here and see the 'us against them' attitude that so many of you have when all it's doing is causing you extra stress, making you appear foolish and segregating yourselves from the rest of the world. if you put as much effort into improving on yourself as you do into being hateful you'd be much better people. and i'm not talking about trying to fit in because there are a whole slew of nt people who do not fit in either for various reasons. in fact, if you want to make a list of things you think are typical nt traits i guarantee that many, many nt's would not fit into that list exactly either. the best thing to do is to not worry so much about fitting in and work on doing something productive you enjoy and you will find that you will be more accepted for that by the people you meet in the course of doing so, and the people that really matter will not look down on you but accept you for who you are. people sort themselves into groups based on social circles, skills and interests, religion, past experiences, common attributes all the time. you will never fit into all of these and neither will anyone else. the trick is to find your place and the people that you can count on and don't take into consideration the attitudes or opinions of others outside the ones who take the time to get to know you.



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29 Nov 2010, 9:21 pm

Craig28 wrote:
I'm also serious when I say that NT's should be diagnosed with NAS.

I'm also seriously facepalming at this.



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29 Nov 2010, 9:33 pm

Ooookaaaay.

This degenerated from silliness awful fast. Or was it never silly? I can never tell.


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