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28 Dec 2010, 3:47 pm

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....The obvious interpretation seems to be that you see something negative about receiving disability assistance versus trying to make it without help.


Are you NT? There is NO obvious interpretation in my question. I was asking very specifically how one person (Wavefreak) made the differentiation as he was the one making the statements. There is no "implied" feelings or otherwise towards people receiving diabilitiies. I honestly do not get what emotions you are projecting on my question or how my question can be generalized like this...


Sorry, I've been in that argument repeatedly. :(

And no, I don't believe I'm NT. I have a tendency to categorize arguments that sound similar to other arguments with those other arguments. Already done it twice today, here.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:01 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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Verdandi wrote:
kfisherx wrote:
....The obvious interpretation seems to be that you see something negative about receiving disability assistance versus trying to make it without help.


Are you NT? There is NO obvious interpretation in my question. I was asking very specifically how one person (Wavefreak) made the differentiation as he was the one making the statements. There is no "implied" feelings or otherwise towards people receiving diabilitiies. I honestly do not get what emotions you are projecting on my question or how my question can be generalized like this...


Sorry, I've been in that argument repeatedly. :(

And no, I don't believe I'm NT. I have a tendency to categorize arguments that sound similar to other arguments with those other arguments. Already done it twice today, here.


Hah! It's okay. You just really surprised me with that. I get that crap all day long on other forums with people accusing me of this or that motive. I TOTALLY don't get it when people do that and I have never seen it on here until this post. LOL! You need to embrace the Aspie more friend. :D :D :D LITERALLY what I write is what I mean. (Or literally how I understand it anyway) LOL!



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28 Dec 2010, 4:10 pm

Lifes tough being a dyspraxic male.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:11 pm

It seems that for a lot of aspies, especially late diagnosed, the issue of receiving services or help vs. trying to figure it out on your own is a touchy issue. I know it is for me.
I'm really macho about it. Especially when I NEED the help.

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Lifes tough being a dyspraxic male.


It's not very easy for dyspraxic females, either. Trust me.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:14 pm

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Hah! It's okay. You just really surprised me with that. I get that crap all day long on other forums with people accusing me of this or that motive. I TOTALLY don't get it when people do that and I have never seen it on here until this post. LOL! You need to embrace the Aspie more friend. :D :D :D LITERALLY what I write is what I mean. (Or literally how I understand it anyway) LOL!


I should know better, I've spent enough time having my own literal statements misinterpreted. :D



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28 Dec 2010, 4:32 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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Hah! It's okay. You just really surprised me with that. I get that crap all day long on other forums with people accusing me of this or that motive. I TOTALLY don't get it when people do that and I have never seen it on here until this post. LOL! You need to embrace the Aspie more friend. :D :D :D LITERALLY what I write is what I mean. (Or literally how I understand it anyway) LOL!


I should know better, I've spent enough time having my own literal statements misinterpreted. :D



I call this phenomena "over-correcting". It results from spending a LOT of time with Neurotypical humans.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:49 pm

I don't think an IQ score will tell you if you are "high-functioning" or "low-functioning" nearly as well as your success at functioning. Are you successful in those things you want to be successful in? If so, consider yourself "high-functioning". If not, consider yourself as "needing improvement".



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28 Dec 2010, 4:59 pm

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High and low functioning is not a product of IQ alone.. It really has to do with your ability to provide for yourself or survive in this world. If you look at works by Baron-Cohen he rates functioning via a systemizer scale. His assertion is that people who are lower functioning are also surpremely high systemizers (7-8 on his scale) and it goes downward from there to the 3-4 scale. (for ASD adults)

It is some interesting reading if you want to do the research...

That is absolutely illogical. What about all the people living on unemployment who cannot find work? Are you going to say they are low functioning autistics because they cannot find a job? It's more to do with circumstance not with actual skills or lack thereof unless you are talking about someone who lacks training in the right fields where employment opportunities exist...like health care.
According to your belief, I am low functioning. You've never met me, don't know much about me, yet you are judging me and calling me something no one who knows me personally has ever said based on the fact I don't have a job. I find that incredibly ironic.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:04 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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High and low functioning is not a product of IQ alone.. It really has to do with your ability to provide for yourself or survive in this world. If you look at works by Baron-Cohen he rates functioning via a systemizer scale. His assertion is that people who are lower functioning are also surpremely high systemizers (7-8 on his scale) and it goes downward from there to the 3-4 scale. (for ASD adults)

It is some interesting reading if you want to do the research...

That is absolutely illogical. What about all the people living on unemployment who cannot find work? Are you going to say they are low functioning autistics because they cannot find a job? It's more to do with circumstance not with actual skills or lack thereof unless you are talking about someone who lacks training in the right fields where employment opportunities exist...like health care.
According to your belief, I am low functioning. You've never met me, don't know much about me, yet you are judging me and calling me something no one who knows me personally has ever said based on the fact I don't have a job. I find that incredibly ironic.


There is a lot of this going around on this thread. I don't think anyone said anything about you at all. I think you are taking what someone has said, inserting yourself into a misinterpretation of the reading and then taking offense that was never offered nor intended.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:07 pm

Malisha wrote:
I call this phenomena "over-correcting". It results from spending a LOT of time with Neurotypical humans.


Good way to put it.

It takes up a lot of energy, too. :(



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28 Dec 2010, 5:08 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
kfisherx wrote:
High and low functioning is not a product of IQ alone.. It really has to do with your ability to provide for yourself or survive in this world. If you look at works by Baron-Cohen he rates functioning via a systemizer scale. His assertion is that people who are lower functioning are also surpremely high systemizers (7-8 on his scale) and it goes downward from there to the 3-4 scale. (for ASD adults)

It is some interesting reading if you want to do the research...

That is absolutely illogical. What about all the people living on unemployment who cannot find work? Are you going to say they are low functioning autistics because they cannot find a job? It's more to do with circumstance not with actual skills or lack thereof unless you are talking about someone who lacks training in the right fields where employment opportunities exist...like health care.
According to your belief, I am low functioning. You've never met me, don't know much about me, yet you are judging me and calling me something no one who knows me personally has ever said based on the fact I don't have a job. I find that incredibly ironic.


There is a lot of this going around on this thread. I don't think anyone said anything about you at all. I think you are taking what someone has said, inserting yourself into a misinterpretation of the reading and then taking offense that was never offered nor intended.

She is talking about me and anyone else who has an ASD yet cannot provide for ourselves. She is generalizing and I am in that generalization. So, yes, she is refering to me and to anyone else who cannot provide for themselves. She thinks a low functioning autistic or Aspie is someone who cannot find a job because of their ASD, or that's how it reads to me :)
I'm just saying I disagree with it.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:13 pm

Stating that a low-functioning Aspie has a difficult time finding a job is not the same thing as stating that someone who has difficulty finding a job is a low-functioning Aspie.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:18 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
Stating that a low-functioning Aspie has a difficult time finding a job is not the same thing as stating that someone who has difficulty finding a job is a low-functioning Aspie.
What she means is someone who cannot find work (ie; provide for themselves financially by getting a job and supporting themselves) because of their ASD is low functioning. She clarified this in another thread.
It's just frustrating to see this kind of thinking. It's like an unwarranted stereotype or something. Low functioning people are low functioning because of other reasons, not just unable to find and maintain a job.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:23 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What she means is someone who cannot find work (ie; provide for themselves financially by getting a job and supporting themselves) because of their ASD is low functioning.


I would agree with her then, but it all depends on what terms you are defining "low-functioning". I think that if you want a job and can't maintain one because of your AS then you are having a harder time functioning with it than others and therefore your functioning can be defined as "lower" than others in a comparative sense. Either way, I don't think anyone intends the term as an insult.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:29 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What she means is someone who cannot find work (ie; provide for themselves financially by getting a job and supporting themselves) because of their ASD is low functioning.


I would agree with her then, but it all depends on what terms you are defining "low-functioning". I think that if you want a job and can't maintain one because of your AS then you are having a harder time functioning with it than others and therefore your functioning can be defined as "lower" than others in a comparative sense. Either way, I don't think anyone intends the term as an insult.

But it's not really "lower". It's just like someone with another condition that cannot find work or has problems. They are not really lower functioning if they can live independently, have a normal to above normal IQ,, shop alone, do day to day chores and tasks. Someone like that isn't low functioning. Low functioning is someone who lives in an assisted living center or group home, or needs assistance in their own home for day to day living. It's not someone who cannot find a job or who may need certain conditions while working.
If you can manage living independently with trouble finding work as your only obstacle you are not low functioning.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:37 pm

Interestingly enoug I'd say that i'm in the middle of the low & high-functioning range of the autistic scale.
In an earlier part of my life there were many things I had been doing on an occupational level as such yet, a traumatic brain injury changed all that therefore, nowadays I'm doing something lesser of those abilities seen prior.Still, IQ is not the sole determining factor in one's IQ for, I feel there are many variables out there which influence one's skill levels over the course of one's life..I wished I could do a comprehensive examination though, I'll leave that up to other Aspies here..