Are highly intellectual aspies different than other aspies?

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28 Dec 2010, 4:15 pm

About as different as intellectual NTs are from non-intellectual NTs.

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28 Dec 2010, 4:24 pm

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But I don't understand intelligence very well. Why is it I can talk to people with +30 IQs and beyond than my own and not notice a difference?


The measurement of intelligence is one of the most inexact sciences in existence. Intelligence Quotient tests were developed on a scale base of 100, and designed to relate the "chronological age" to the "mental age" of children. It was meant to gauge which students needed extra help in educational settings.The intelligence quotient was equal to 100 times the Mental Age divided by the Chronological Age. This testing was modified for adults in ways that are kind of arbitrary. IQ tests are often culturally and socially biased. There are many other theories of intelligence, such as emotional intelligence, bodily-kinesthetic intelligence, logical-mathematical intelligence, and so on.

For example, according to the original IQ test, since I learned to read by the time I was two, and most children learn to read at 6, my IQ would technically be 300. And that's ridiculous.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:43 pm

I was given the diagnosis of "gifted" when I was 8 years old and the diagnosis of AS after I turned 34. I am still trying to figure out the differences myself. I am learning a lot in the forums of WP. I read post after post of people who cannot leave home and cannot get or maintain a job and I wonder if I had received my diagnoses in the opposite order if I would have self-fulfilled as a "low-functioning" individual myself. How much is the way you (and your parents) define yourself versus the way you actually process? Am I "high-functioning" because I was never diagnosed as a child or was I never diagnosed as a child because I am "high-functioning"? These are questions for which I continue to look for answers.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:49 pm

Who knows what fundamental basics create the intellectual? Intellectuals tend to be curious with a quintessential thirst for answers to their questions. It's that drive to find the relevant answers that create the intellectual, regardless of being Aspie or NT or something else entirely.



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28 Dec 2010, 5:01 pm

Yes.
I would like to think that I'm different from the ones who possess average intellect. I was also diagnosed as 'gifted', but at the age of seven.



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28 Dec 2010, 6:03 pm

Haha yeah I forget to eat a lot. I'll usually just eat one meal a day or I try to get stuff that I can leave out in plain sight so that I see it during the day, that way there is a higher probability that I will see it and remember to eat.

I'm in between jobs right now so I'm on my own most of the day. I haven't settled into a routine so we sit down the night before and write in things that I need to do the next Day. my girlfriend who helps me forgets that I need to be reminded to eat and shower every now and then so we don't write it in.

She says I'm full of contradictions. She is baffled by my intelligence and ability to figure stuff out in short amount of time. I could learn everything in a text book in a week but I still can't tie my shoes. ( I wear shoes with 3 velcro straps). I can cook a meal I saw on tv a week ago, but I can't go grocery shopping on my own.

I don't know.



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28 Dec 2010, 6:14 pm

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Haha yeah I forget to eat a lot. I'll usually just eat one meal a day or I try to get stuff that I can leave out in plain sight so that I see it during the day, that way there is a higher probability that I will see it and remember to eat.

I'm in between jobs right now so I'm on my own most of the day. I haven't settled into a routine so we sit down the night before and write in things that I need to do the next Day. my girlfriend who helps me forgets that I need to be reminded to eat and shower every now and then so we don't write it in.

She says I'm full of contradictions. She is baffled by my intelligence and ability to figure stuff out in short amount of time. I could learn everything in a text book in a week but I still can't tie my shoes. ( I wear shoes with 3 velcro straps). I can cook a meal I saw on tv a week ago, but I can't go grocery shopping on my own.

I don't know.


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28 Dec 2010, 6:17 pm

I guess more intellectual aspies may be more likelly to have a great diversity of intellectual interests.

ruveyn wrote:
About as different as intellectual NTs are from non-intellectual NTs.

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Obviously not. They must be some differences between a gifted aspie and one who is not, but because so many aspies traits mix with giftedness traits, the differences are less importants.

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I have been labled both ASD and GIFTED in the last 2 months. It was interesting to me because before I received the "gifted" label, I went to an adult aspergers support group and it was VERY obvious to me and to others (two of them made comments in fact) that I was NOT like the others. The difference was that I had my "act" together in a very different way. I have a respected career, wealth, general inner wellness and hapiness. That said the signs of my Aspiness were showing up quite obviously in my stimming (which I do quite frequently), and my inability to look at people or know when to come into converstations and saying inappropriate things. The "crowning" moment for me was at the meeting when there was a break, I went outside with my normal intention of getting away from everyone so that I can re-group but I noticed that everyone was standing outside but nobody was talking. So I did not have to run. I could stand in their midst and not talk and regroup. It was awesome and I knew that on some level they were my people. Likewise they accepted me into their group acknoledging I am different in some way and way more succesful then any of them had become. Once the GIFTED lable was given to me, I was able to understand that in this already somewhat unique group (ASD), I am now even more unique. My therapist explained to me that as IQ goes up, so does the "weirdness" factor as IQ does not happen in a linear way most of the time. So I am weird but able to figure out how to advocate for myself and to make myself useful in this strange world....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030731/ns/business/

I recently chanced upon this video interview by a "gifted Aspie" with whom I can absolutely relate. I have asked all my friends and family to please watch it as it depicts me exactly. Perhaps there are others who are both that can chime in with their experiences? This is all pretty new to me...

Is your overall sucess the only difference you noticed?


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28 Dec 2010, 6:29 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:
QuelOround wrote:
Haha yeah I forget to eat a lot. I'll usually just eat one meal a day or I try to get stuff that I can leave out in plain sight so that I see it during the day, that way there is a higher probability that I will see it and remember to eat.

I'm in between jobs right now so I'm on my own most of the day. I haven't settled into a routine so we sit down the night before and write in things that I need to do the next Day. my girlfriend who helps me forgets that I need to be reminded to eat and shower every now and then so we don't write it in.

She says I'm full of contradictions. She is baffled by my intelligence and ability to figure stuff out in short amount of time. I could learn everything in a text book in a week but I still can't tie my shoes. ( I wear shoes with 3 velcro straps). I can cook a meal I saw on tv a week ago, but I can't go grocery shopping on my own.

I don't know.


Aren't we fun? :D :)



We are fun for the right type of people. I know my parents didn't find me all that fun.



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28 Dec 2010, 6:44 pm

Intellegence is such a fuzzy concept. A person who is extremely gifted in one aspect can be extremely limited in another.

Generally speaking a more intellegent person will cope better as they will be better able to self analyse and adapt but it really depends on the severity of co-morbid conditions and such.

Essentially all aspies differ from all other aspies, as we are all unique. We all lie on a spectrum, but for some the colours shine much brighter.



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28 Dec 2010, 7:14 pm

When I think of an "intellectual autistic person" I don't necessarily think of "how intelligent" a person is (as if I could even measure or conceive of something like that). I tend to think instead of how much they use their mind for idea and/or concept and/or category type of thinking, regardless of how many ideas they can string together or stack up or whatever people do with ideas. (And this is about what happens inside their head, not about what they appear to do.) Nothing at all to do with being "gifted" or not.

I don't think of myself as "intellectual" or "very intellectual" for that matter. I tend to approach the world in a manner that has more to do with sensory-based stuff and the patterns between that, rather than idea-based stuff and the designs they can be sculpted into. And I do see a huge difference between the way I do things and the way more intellectually-based people do things. We may sometimes come out with similar output, but we're not doing the same things inside.


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28 Dec 2010, 8:49 pm

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What about those of us who are both gifted and Aspie, but can't succeed? I have been very unsuccessful at work, and don't see (yet) any way out. Anyone else out there like this:


I've been through the same. Part of it was unrelated mental illness that I've had Psychodynamic treatment for. Another part of it was Prejudice from Employers and indifference / lack of support from Welfare. With that stick to Equal Employment Opportunities (EEO) affiliated Employers, expect to self-advocate and stand up for your needs in the workplace, including legal action if necessary. With Welfare agencies search around including charities and outside the government provisions, and learn to self-motivate and expect to plan and work your own way into the best career. In my country I got good advice from the main Autism charity and have planned my own way out of poverty.


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28 Dec 2010, 9:41 pm

I'm glad you found a way out of it. That's very encouraging. My goal is to work from home, so I don't have to deal with sensory issues.

I have been diagnosed in the past as being Autistic Spectrum, but my current psychiatrist doesn't see it. I know it's still there!

Current diagnosis: depression, anxiety, agoraphobia, and attention-deficit disorder.

My plans are to go to a specialty clinic for autism and have a thorough exam, and find a support system somehow. Then I will have the "proof" I need. It will about a year from now before I have the money to fly there, but it is a realistic goal. In the meantime I am going to concentrate on getting organized (once and for all; I have much improved through the years), better relationships, and other realistic goals.

Finding "wrong planet" was a major breakthrough. I'm "normal" here! :D



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28 Dec 2010, 9:59 pm

Yes, I don't find myself even slightly similar to the majority of users on this site.


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28 Dec 2010, 11:12 pm

I think that people diagnosed with Aspergers fall into many different categories. There is the highly intellectual aware who is socially aware but is unable to show affection, they tend to be executive functioning than other Aspies but do not desire affection. They are academically successful with few learning problems and socially seclusive and many come off as very arrogant. They often have a dry sense of humor and appear to have a big ego. The polar opposite is the Aspie who are more socially immature and socially completely, who I would classify as Pervasive Development Disorder rather than Asperger's. They are more unaware of their surroundings but are often desire social acceptance. They tend to have more learning problems and have less of an understanding of the world. They are often socially immature and inappropriate and many are silly rather than witty and unlike the more intellectual Aspie they often desperate for socialization and physical affection. They mostly have more difficulty functioning in life and taking care of themselves. Most people fall somewhere between the two groups and one can change so we can't typecast. Often people appear to be more PDD in their childhood and develop more maturity into adulthood. Their are multiple reasons for this. I believe As a young child, I was often placed in therapy groups with more intellectually disabled children than myself and I began to behave like them. I attended a mainstream school but I was socially very immature and not academically motivated because I believed myself to be in that category. I loved math was naturally good at it but I didn't even try with the other subjects. But I have matured into my adulthood, I developed my own intellectual style and my own dry sense of humor. I am still pretty dysfunctional, which I will never outgrow. I still have trouble taking care of myself.

I believe other disorders such as ADHD, certain Mental Illnesses and eating disorders can be divided into sub groups as well.



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28 Dec 2010, 11:24 pm

Yes, there seem to be so many combinations. I fall under the intellectual, studious type, but I actually crave affection so much I trust too easily. I crave Some interaction socially. I just don't know how to read social clues.