Think my wife is an undiagnosed Aspie
You should also look into asexuality, which ... basically not all autistic people are asexual and not all asexual people are autistic, so since she already identifies with it that could help you understand that part of her on terms that she's willing to agree to already. There's a lot of good information out there on the Internet about it.
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Don't feel guilty. I felt as if I was being abused by the entire world until I figured out that I had AS. I can see how the misunderstanding and miscommunication can go both ways... especially in a marriage.
Is autism even correlated with asexuality? because I know I very far from being asexual! even though I've never done it because I've never been in a relationship. I don't know how autism interacts with women though, would be interesting to know. I know while some AS men tend to build up resentment against women because women won't be in a relationship with them or have sex. AS women get the other side of things where they get taken for granted and abused because they don't know that men want some pursuit (or challenge). So the men get what they want and then leave them because they lose interest because the women isn't playing the game correctly. So I could see AS women becoming resentful of men and the fact that men want sex, and thereby they might become asexual (or at least say they are). In no way am I implying that that is what is going on with your wife, just speaking generally.
I'm pretty sure autistics are more likely to be non-heterosexual--that includes homosexual, bisexual, and asexual as well as less common variations. So, yes, you'll find a higher percentage of asexuals among autistic people than you will among NTs. Most autistics are heterosexual, though, just like most NTs are.
As far as I can tell, the difference seems to be that autistics don't pick up the sociocultural ideas about sexuality and relationships nearly as easily as NTs do. That means that if you are genetically on the borderline between two categories, if you are NT, you will probably drift toward the norm, whereas if you are autistic, you won't be absorbing nearly the amount of cultural expectations, and are more likely to end up identifying as something other than heterosexual. (I don't think this phenomenon can change an orientation that was going to be strongly expressed to begin with--but it can probably cause people who fall on the fuzzy borders between categories to identify with categories nearer the norm if they are NTs responding to their cultures.)
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your recognition she may have AS seems to have helped you to look at things from her point of view.
note that to us, especially before the recognition of having Asperger's, it seems everyone else treats US wrong. they don't behave the way we would like them to, or recognize how we feel about things because it is so different from them.
understanding must go both ways.
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Thanks to all for the kind words. I've been taking a look at the forums on AVEN and some of the stuff there has been a help. I get the feeling that she has developed coping mechanisms over the years especially with regard to social interactions...she would tend to use the same 'set phrases' when talking to people and would say them without really much feeling or inflexion in her speech...is this common with AS? Anyone else feel that they have developed ways of coping with social interactions?
I think she also gets incredibly frustrated and she would be very critical of other people a lot of the time...possibly because it seems to her that its everyone else thats acting weird, like aginst_the_clock says, they felt like they were being abused by the whole world.
I'll update this post when I've talked to her.
Once again, many thanks to everyone for the good advice
Ritchie
Oh, yeah, it's definitely easier to use scripts. Thinking up a whole new way to say things every time takes a lot of concentration; and conversation goes really fast. When I was very little I used almost nothing but scripts; by my teen years, I was making up most of what I said on-the-spot; but I still follow small-talk patterns in a very scripted fashion.
We all learn to cope in our own ways as we get older and get more practice. Autism isn't a static disorder; people with autism learn and grow like anyone does. I'm more socially competent now than I was at twelve, and I'll be more competent at forty than I am now.
And yeah, like katzefrau says--often times, to us, it's the rest of the world that's acting in an illogical fashion. A little translation goes a long way, though. For me, what helped was studying sociology and psychology; but everyone has their own approach. Some people just brute-force it through practice; other people memorize patterns; yet other people learn to communicate in alternative ways or modify their autistic traits into things that NTs see as benign, eccentric, or even charming.
Why not bring your wife here and we can talk to both of you? It's kind of awkward doing this by proxy...
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probably in older folks, especially when they didn't know and were having to try to fathom how to act normal without understanding why it was so difficult. i certainly do it. and in my head it's all about bringing the interaction to a close before it becomes obvious i have no idea what to really do or say. i say lots of things i don't mean, not because i am insincere but because i have learned how to duck out of interaction when i start to feel lost.
more than anything i have developed avoidance. i'm confused when i hear of people learning social skills .. i have learned to let myself off the hook when i can, as a lot of people are just too difficult for me to navigate and it's not worth how it makes me feel. i've never been an especially good actor.
this is familiar to me too. i just thought everyone else was illogical. also i would miss the point of people's interactions with one another and correct them about things when they were just sharing time / thoughts and i don't really understand that very well.
it helps to know about AS. i feel alienated all the same, but i don't blame anyone else for it. i know they are ok - just different than me. i don't know yet how to communicate the differences. maybe you and your wife can learn. i think of it as a language difference more than anyone being right or wrong.
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Hi Ritchie, I am married to my potentially AS spouse who is currently undiagnosed at the moment, but we will be seeing results (revealing something or nothing) in the near future regarding that.
I wholeheartedly share your feelings and experience. I too came here in search of more insight, more discussion and commentary regarding the spectrum and my eyes have opened significantly.
Though I haven't been married nearly as long as you (12 years? You go glenn coco!), things have really started to get difficult between me and my husband, and it began to become startlingly clear where the issues stemmed from. We've been together for five years and recently got married, only just started living with one another and no one else but our cat and dog, and both of our cerebral problems have started to rear their ugly heads far too dangerously often.
I eventually just changed gears myself; read all the fifty page university pdf's I could find illustrating the behavioral traits of AS and the motives behind them.
I honestly cried so much when I read all of it. And cried even more when I came here and read the posts. Learning can be so painful, but I am truly blessed to have cast my ego aside and delve more into the realm of understanding and empathy.
I learned so much about what he deals with inside his own mind, how he sees the world and why he does the things he does. Not only am I relieved as holy hell that I've stuck with him, but he's open to getting help and support for it and we're more tight knit than ever when it comes to the foundation of our love.
Thank you for sticking with her, for loving her and your kids. I think you guys are going to be just fine. ![]()
Old thread and the OP has not returned to update us about his wife. Makes me wonder how things went like if they are still together or did they split up and he didn't come back to tell us.
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Thanks dude, I could have sworn someone else had posted in it before me? But looking back I didn't even check the date of the post before me so, wow, haha.
She has always been very akward socially. A lot of my friends commented on this when we were dating...sometimes if we were out as a group she literally would ignore them the whole night and barely speak to me for absolutely no reason. Needless to say my friends viewed this as her being aloof and rude and I would be wracking my brain trying to think what I had done to upset her. The few times I mentioned this to her she said that she was just shy.
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I am pieplup i have level 3 autism and a number of severe mental illnesses. I am rarely active on here anymore.
I run a discord for moderate-severely autistic people if anyone would like to join. You can also contact me on discord @Pieplup
I wholeheartedly share your feelings and experience. I too came here in search of more insight, more discussion and commentary regarding the spectrum and my eyes have opened significantly.
Though I haven't been married nearly as long as you (12 years? You go glenn coco!), things have really started to get difficult between me and my husband, and it began to become startlingly clear where the issues stemmed from. We've been together for five years and recently got married, only just started living with one another and no one else but our cat and dog, and both of our cerebral problems have started to rear their ugly heads far too dangerously often.
I eventually just changed gears myself; read all the fifty page university pdf's I could find illustrating the behavioral traits of AS and the motives behind them.
I honestly cried so much when I read all of it. And cried even more when I came here and read the posts. Learning can be so painful, but I am truly blessed to have cast my ego aside and delve more into the realm of understanding and empathy.
I learned so much about what he deals with inside his own mind, how he sees the world and why he does the things he does. Not only am I relieved as holy hell that I've stuck with him, but he's open to getting help and support for it and we're more tight knit than ever when it comes to the foundation of our love.
Thank you for sticking with her, for loving her and your kids. I think you guys are going to be just fine.
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I am pieplup i have level 3 autism and a number of severe mental illnesses. I am rarely active on here anymore.
I run a discord for moderate-severely autistic people if anyone would like to join. You can also contact me on discord @Pieplup
