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01 Jan 2011, 1:09 pm

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Edit: Wait, you're an NT? Well, screw you and your NT nature.


I can't tell over the web whether this is a joke or not, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.



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01 Jan 2011, 2:18 pm

I went on a rant the other day at one of my non-Aspie forum. It had to do with Julian Assange. I'm 99.99% certain he's got Asperger's--he's just also extraordinarily "gifted" as well--but having read more about his younger life, and wow, that dude's got Asperger's. Did you know he used to be an obsessive apiarist (beekeeper) back in his hacking days? Shown me an avid apiarist with no friends except a few online acquaintances he only talks to via a modem, and I'll show someone who's most definitely an Aspie.

Anyhow, as many of you know, Assange inspires pretty polarized responses from people--you know, like many of of us Aspies do, either people are cool with us or they are quite uncomfortable with us--and one of the things that people at this forum keep parroting back and forth to one another was how "creepy" he was.

So I posted a series of vids from You Tube of people with Asperger's, asking them, do you think this guy/woman is creepy? (I even posted one of Alex Plank.) Then I laid it out for these people--I told them that some point in the lives of anyone with Asperger's, they will be called "creepy" for no other reason than because we talk, look, act differently. It's not about our motives, our intentions, or our past actions. It's just that "vibe" they get from us that tells them we are not like them, and they interpret that as "creepy." And I said, it's offensive and it's hurtful.

Some of them got the message. Others of course rationalized their bigotry the way bigots do. But all I can say is, yeah people will judge you unfairly, hurtfully and cruelly because you are different. And it will never stop being hurtful. So we just need to learn to stand up for ourselves.



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01 Jan 2011, 2:26 pm

I rarely hear people talk like this, then again I rarely leave the house. One of my friends has aspergers just like myself, hes more of an "internet" friend than anything else but I know people personally who know him. He goes to the same school as some of my friends.

Anyways another girl I know from that school (Same group of friends) knows this boy has aspergers and knows I have it too. She also has a few disorders of her own (I will keep confidential about that though) and she also knows people with disorders, a cousin of hers has aspergers too I think. So she should know not to insult people with disorders, and that people can't help the way they act.

Basically this girl was insulting this boy who had aspergers and saying all these things like "Hes a freak" and "He doesn't leave the house!" and I have told her PLENTY of times that they are uncontrollable because of his aspergers, and that I act in the EXACT same way but she seems to not care, picking on him for those same things that people at MY school pick on ME for...

Did anyone else notice this at school? That people who were part of your circle of friends would bully somebody else for the same reason that people would bully you? It personally makes me sick...

Another story about the same circle of friends, and the same boy with aspergers. I was in town with my girlfriend (Part of that circle of friends) and another girl who tagged along (Same circle) and we were sat in a coffee shop because it was freezing outside. I heard my (now ex)-girlfriend and our friend talking while I was apparently "zoned out" like I occasionally do. Anyways they were talking about this boy and said similar things to the other girl. I got so angry then but I didn't show it...


Basically most of the people (One of them is actually NICE to the boy) in this circle of friends and always talking about this boy who has aspergers, and fail to realise that I have the SAME disorder and that they are subconsciously insulting ME too.

Don't worry about it mate, and sorry for the long message. Basically females NTs do this ALL the time, and it pisses most people who have that disorder right off too, not just the person they're talking about.


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01 Jan 2011, 2:35 pm

Yeah I've heard this all the time. Either that or been on the other end of it where people bully me but don't bully my friends for doing the exact same things I do, even when I (and my friends) point out that they're absolutely no different from me in that area, they still target only me.


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01 Jan 2011, 2:36 pm

Humans love their schadenfreude.



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01 Jan 2011, 3:15 pm

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Some people ARE cruel. Some people never learn that it is a mark of maturity when you stop judging others. I think most do so to 'feel good' in comparison to the person they're judging. There are many people that aren't so shallow so don't give up hope!
I don't think they stop judging others.

I think they just stop talking about it. I think they still have the same beliefs and feelings, but they just don't express them.

They're not better than they used to be. They're just not expressing their terrible beliefs.



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01 Jan 2011, 3:33 pm

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My mum and friend are talking sh** about a guy that most obviously has Asperger's.

"Oh he's weird."
"Definitely something wrong with him."
"He's almost robotic" *does interpretation*
"He's pretentious."
"He always thinks he has to give advice about everything."
"He didn't finish Uni, went to jail and doesn't work - he's nothing!"

They could basically be talking about me.

No wonder I hate socialising. People are cruel. :(

It's not fair. Everybody's weird in their own ways. I don't like it when people talk about me like this when I'm not there.



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01 Jan 2011, 3:47 pm

Yes, people can be very cruel. What bothers me the most is when people talk about you behind your back, yet they don't even have the courtesy to wait until you are out of earshot. This would bother me alot in school when people would make comments about me being "weird" while standing only a few feet away. It's almost as if they WANT you to overhear yourself being insulted.



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01 Jan 2011, 3:50 pm

Yep, people do that too, but I appreciate that more. It might upset me when I hear it but at least I know where I truthfully stand with them. If they don't like me I would rather know about it then have them sabotage my efforts when I'm not around.



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01 Jan 2011, 6:12 pm

tasbro wrote:
Yes, people can be very cruel. What bothers me the most is when people talk about you behind your back, yet they don't even have the courtesy to wait until you are out of earshot. This would bother me alot in school when people would make comments about me being "weird" while standing only a few feet away. It's almost as if they WANT you to overhear yourself being insulted.


And when there's two of them and only one of you (and assuming no one else is around), you can't really win, can you?

I agree, though, I like it better when they make it clear that they don't like me. It's really annoying when someone is polite to your face only to talk crap about you behind your back.



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01 Jan 2011, 6:22 pm

People are stupid, life goes on. If I see a person who is getting picked on I try to help him/her. Especially if they have aspergers or adhd (or both). I know personally how they're feeling and it sucks. I Hate bullies.


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01 Jan 2011, 6:30 pm

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Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmm. You guys never talk or think bad about anyone?

It's part of human nature. And we're all humans.

Not since I became aware of the differences in people usually have to do with a neurological disorder.
If anyone says something insulting about people with a disability, whether autistic or intellectually disabled, I will stab them with a fork. Also, I have no sympathy for racists and people with opinions with nothing to back it up with.
My mum is also homophobic which I do get into arguments with her about.
She also thinks all people with Bipolar are crazy.
And bases her opinion on communism from what she sees in movies.

I also hear the line 'human's are social creatures' which is my case means I'm not human.
I rarely say anything judgmental about people and when I do I stop myself. It's a horrible thing to do and I'm usually the one arguing with people every time they criticise someone.

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Edit: Wait, you're an NT? Well, screw you and your NT nature.

That doesn't surprise me much. A lot of the time NT's come into the threads and act as though we're the ones overreacting. Different brains n all that. They will never seem to get it.

Another thing is that my own mum probably says the same things about me behind my back. I know that my siblings do.


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01 Jan 2011, 6:46 pm

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I also hear the line 'human's are social creatures' which is my case means I'm not human.
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but you are posting on a public forum. I think that makes you a social creature.



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01 Jan 2011, 6:54 pm

bucephalus wrote:
pensieve wrote:
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I also hear the line 'human's are social creatures' which is my case means I'm not human.
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but you are posting on a public forum. I think that makes you a social creature.

I'm posting on a forum with people that are semi-like me. I still feel a bit of alienation here but not as bad as in the real world.


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01 Jan 2011, 7:50 pm

Esther wrote:
Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmm. You guys never talk or think bad about anyone?

It's part of human nature. And we're all humans.


hate is not an essential part of human nature.

some people are kinder than others.

not to mention, this sort of behavior is difficult for us to understand.

you do know this is a support forum, right?


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01 Jan 2011, 7:52 pm

pensieve wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
pensieve wrote:
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I also hear the line 'human's are social creatures' which is my case means I'm not human.
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but you are posting on a public forum. I think that makes you a social creature.

I'm posting on a forum with people that are semi-like me. I still feel a bit of alienation here but not as bad as in the real world.


I feel a little alienated in autism circles as I'm the total opposite of a classic aspie. However, my biggest problems seem to be the co-morbid stuff