ASAN vs. Autism Speaks

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Did you see the video I posted of ASAN and my original post? My job was to establish my own organization whose self-advocacy component is democratic. Later I will not own it but will have unique bylaws to insure consumer say. I am simply figuring you people out for now. Some weird stuff going on online and offline. The purpose was to grab peoples attention with the protesting. Well they got my and others attention and the response might not be what they want.

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It is not uncommon for pride based groups to ban members for not having a pride view. Not having a pride view is called bigotry, hate and intolerance. If you disagree your a detractor. It reminds me of cults but is not the same thing.

What does that have to do with the statements?

It would seem based on my brief research that anti-societal beliefs are part of this comparative captor syndrome and autism. There is no absolute truth in believing society is oppressive, ignorant and or indifferent. I can understand this feeling if you are isolated and need help and are not helped. To be fair however I think these ideas need to be discussed. Many comparative notions as realities are put forth in pride movements. Everything from concentration camps, Nazi's and to believing other people are the KKK for having a point of view about autism as a group. Though I will admit there are some pretty freaky cure people, callus psychiatrist and those who lack compassion in our society. Just the same there are extremes within the self-advocacy movement to.

Tell me more about the extremes perceived by self-advocates whom claim to be liberating me as well?

Why are you trying to dominate this thread and coerce others?

You need to be careful. I said exactly what I meant. That I found her directness amusing. I did not characterize the accuracy of her statement. Why do you jump to that conclusion? You aren't being defensive, are you?

I asked a question and was put in the position of defending myself but I do not feel to defend myself as what might be expected as I've looked at the issues for a great amount of time.

I'm not sure what you mean by "aspie social framework". People in general dislike having cherished ideas contradicted. This holds true for me, you, and everyone else.

I already knew you would say well something like it just a kind reference. Yet in reality while innocent it does have effects but beyond this simple notion it is used a great deal for politics and to define world-views that then others share I think becuase of common emotions. It's an idea framework within a political view within autism politics. The aspie political sphere is not hardened per say but has it's extremes like any political spectrum. I think it is important and ethical that these matters be understood and talked about but are at times resisted socially in discourse. The spirit of intellectual understanding must be mutually greeted otherwise those with autism will reject it.

What a ridiculous assertion. It assumes first that autistics have little awareness of themselves and their condition and second that your knowledge of autism is both superior to 99% of autistics and sufficient enough to be able to make the claim.

Assumption is a fascinating thing. Being aware of autism differs from viewing autism as an identity and social framework. It takes the insertion of a subscribed philosophy to modify ones self-view of oneself and then in other ways world view or else one is defined as akin to the N.T's. I am not an autism expert I am simply a person with autism.

Dividing me personally or are you using "you" in a general sense?

You presume too much if you think you understand my thinking on this. I am disinclined to think of autism in terms of 'aspie is better than NT'. I am more nuanced than that.

I am thinking for myself and this seems to divide you and or others. I do not find the Aspie and N.T conceptology compatible with my mind in how it works. I seem to reject it as if it were a mind virus and I'm naturally immune. Being fearful of how I think and how others think is not reasonable nor is it insulting. Both you and I presume it is part of discovery in science and being human (not alien).

What is clear to me is that you are passionate in your advocacy. There are others that are equally passionate. Finding common ground between such passionately held ideas is a challenge.

Alright so I will use the really bad word in this advocacy as a neutralization statement. Hitler was passionate as well. People of the aspie and N.T conceptology seem to call others Nazi's at times when they do not agree with a strict sphere of idea. My position is it is a potential that some self-advocates will influence more autism politics and create despondency with the public. My job is public relations risk management as well. I must conclude these matters so as to prevent worse case scenarios that are simply potentials.

why do you feel the need to defend youself from my post? I am only asserting that you are doing exactly that which you are chastising about with ASAN in your post. I do not know of all the underlying happenings of the organizations which you seem to think are unworthy and unproductive BUT I do know that the video you posted does not speak to me the way it does to you. ASAN protesters are peacefully showing up to state an opinion. I do not agree with their opinion (personally) but that doesn't mean that what they are doing is wrong. You are being too black/white my Aspie brother.