Life of the disabled in third world countries.

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Right, but conservatives are acting in their own interests, which is to say in the interests of the corporations who send lobbyists to give them big piles of cash to oppose rational taxation.

An increase in taxing corporations would ultimately benefit corporations. The increased taxes would funnel more money back into the economy where it would again circulate to corporations (and they'd be taxed again). Unfortunately, taxation is always treated as a bad thing, a punishment, a way to impoverish those who supposedly earned their wealth.

Washington made it extremely difficult to implement new taxes, and this is now causing massive funding problems. Hopefully the legislature will work around that and keep funding at a reasonable level.

The US did the same thing in the early 1900's and it was a lot wealthier and better off than this country we talking about.

Its not until there are enough resources to spare on both care and education towards the afflicted that this can be changed.

Shunning is a common social survival skill. Don't you shun the homeless hobos when you walk down the street? avoid eye contact, behave as if they dont exist? same thing.

You said it was a resource issue. Then when I pointed out that shunning is a moral issue, you turned shunning into a survival instinct, dismissing morality from the argument. If you want to discuss the evolutionary advantages of discarding the mentally ill, fine. But you injected the concept of morality into the discussion. It seems disingenuous to so casually side step it.

The point is the morality in your argument is built and based upon a 1st world nation standard of living and social growth.

I was born and raised in a country where poverty can be so bad you see kids starving and living on the streets... and yes, those of us who were much better off did shun them because it was the only way to get by in our day..we couldn't do anything to help them and it was traumatizing enough to see them at a glance.

It doesnt mean we felt terrible about doing that or that they were in such a situation...it was just the only way to remain sane in such conditions. Today, after 15 years of not having lived there (in US since) I know that I would not be able to turn my eyes away or not try to help. I'm no longer de-sensitized to it.

In order to have a healthy society, you have to keep that money circulating. When people start hoarding it, it becomes scarce, in short supply and the economy stagnates. Money is there to be spent, otherwise capitalism collapses.

This is from neuroanthropology blog, and suggest that the perception of mental illness varies greatly throughout non-industrialized/westernized cultures.

Perhaps isolating disabled folks is an export of a westernized view of mental illness?



NYTimes article

No. It is not. You presume a great deal in thinking that I have no sense of differences across cultures and socioeconomic situations.

You said that it was a resource issue. Forms of morality exist in all cultures and all levels of wealth. Even if I have no food to give, I must choose to avert my eyes.



And I have been homeless. So what? My choices when I had nothing were still my choices. They were made based on my sense of morality and ethics and I was inclined to see that there were still people that had less than me and that it was not impossible to give more to this world than I took.



So sad that you were traumatized by glancing. I suppose an extended gaze would have induced PTSD.



What can be done is always dictated by two things, resources and choices. Shunting to hidden rooms those that one cannot help because of resource limitations is a moral choice. This is the immoral thing, not that those that have nothing to give did not help, but, when unable to help, they choose revulsion and contempt as the salve for their guilt.

This sounds like excuse making. You were well off. I am sure others were, too. You could have done something to help the homeless children if you would have pitched in some your money and started a charity.
It's just distancing and excusing. If you push people aside and do nothing, it's like you are condoning and saying it is alright not to help.

This is my big question. After a lengthy period of time I figured out to ask this in the most simplest of words I could come up with. How do you live in the world as it is while knowing how it ought/should be?
I spent so much of my life disturbed by this that it's been overwhelming.
No one could answer me. I have my own thing to help now a little bit but it's still there. I"d prefer this question rather than not having it.

The problem with this "solution" of taxing corporations that you continue to bring up, is that it isn't that Black/White. If it were, it would be done. A state or country begins to tax corporations and we end up with an outsourcing problem similar to the one that begin in the late 90s. Companies will move to wherever they can avoid the taxation. There are other complications in this solution as well but the biggest is that you risk losing the industry (including all the jobs) when you begin to increase taxes like you think it needed.

The best answer I've had to this is to act on that which is right in front of you. I can't feed all the starving children, heal the diseased, nor help all the homeless in this world. But I can do positive things locally. So when I can, I do.

We are losing jobs anyway, have been for years. That argument is stale.

living it is different than reading or thinking about it. No matter how much morality you want to give yourself or place yourself the fact is when you are born and raised in such environment its just something you do and adapt to. Today however, I could not do it. That was the point of me saying all that.

That's what tariffs are for.

The outsourcing started with "globalization," NAFTA, GATT, and the like; onerous taxes didn't suddenly drove them away. And most of them don't pay any taxes, anyway.

We can put (back) taxes on imports to make it more expensive to manufacture overseas than locally. If the mindset is that we are at the mercy of what is good for corporations, then we're done.

I never said it was a black and white issue. I said it is a problem, in that the resources are concentrated in a few hands, and that there is a basic refusal to get any of those resources out of those hands.

I'm not sure what exactly it is that is the threat here - what you describe is exactly what's happening. The problem goes far deeper than how much we charge corporations in taxes, and comes down to the fact that many find it easier to economically exploit populations in poorer nations, where they can get away with paying minimal incomes for labor that in the US would cost them money. Unfortunately, this outsourcing itself damages the economy by taking money out of it - if we don't have workers being paid to work in the US, they don't spend money, and the corporations who are trying to save money by outsourcing end up getting less money from the US itself, but at least they get to hoard more money that they're not paying workers.

The problem is multidimensional and there is no magic bullet solution, obviously. The problem itself has been compounded by the lack of regulation and oversight in the US, allowing corporations and banks to get away with literal and metaphorical murder for decades, and the longer this continues the more difficult a workable solution will be. But, I am also correct in pointing out that the money exists, the economy is not suffering for a lack of money, but for a lack of circulation.



Thank you.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/c ... 325110.htm

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-03-31/heal ... =PM:HEALTH

http://www.autism-world.com/index.php/2 ... -in-china/

Autism in the Harmonious Glorious Peoples' Paradise...... Where Japan, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, try to provide help for Auties. China with it's Billions of surplus, and it's largest economy in the world. hasn't built ONE school for autistic children?!?!?!

Anyways, can you imagine having a Austiy meltdown, in the middle of a warzone that's triggered by the chaos and confusion of a battle with explosives and machine gun fire and people screaming as unholy acts of multilation are comiited on them, (ie having body parts hacked off, (Timorese massacre, a rogue Drone bomb goes off in a school, Taliban "freedom fighters" setting children on fire and other S that makes Kruger look like a scout master or a Santa Clause who visits sick kids in a hospital!

We may complain about the incompetence and underqualifications of most of our caregivers here, but think about how others might live, when you're schizophrenic and your peers and kin think you're possessed. (Witch hunting goes on in the 21 century in Paupa New Guinea, africa). People still believe in "changling shape shifters". (multiple personality disorder). And in Asia, in Hong Kong, a very supertitious place, (some of Chinese Magical culture and remedies still exist some are very harmful, for instance, some Chinese believe that you screwed up in a past life and DESERVE various ill fated conditions, such as poverty, mental illness, ect ect ect, or if you're "crazy" you're generally not cared for, or paid attention in an ignorant hear no evil, see no evil, say no evil maybe it'll go away.

Perhaps some out breaks of crazy violence has geniunely been attributed to mental illness, or malicious forethough, never less such a brutal society as the Sinosphere, that has inspired Canabalism, and other types of Grotesquries. It's no wonder, why one does a search on Chinasmack, and can find alot of skeletons in China's closet and the truly sad thing it's 100% true. Such as adults hacking up kids with knives, running over children, renting out children for begging, (and punishing them in very obsecene ways). China, Asia will be haunted by the homeless mentally ill.

But what about a rich place as Alberta? Ralph Kline a autocratic primier, released Alberta's homeless on to the COLD and mean streets of Edmonton and Calgary, as he closed mental hospitals. (one remains. Ponoka's Alberta Hospital, and the Peter Lougheed Center in Alberta), but sure complain about first world insitutions seem as Heavenly, vs 3rd world institutions, and dare to call it hell, when you're suffering from dementia, and a cluster bomb blew up your mental hospital by accident or design.... seems as hell, with very angry soldiers doing very angry things.