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Nah. Personally I prefer to wear layers of clothing while sitting around doing what I want. It's a sensory thing.

I know an awful lot of NTs that feel frustrated too. Mostly younger people. They do not believe in the people who run govt or in the concept of having to get along with someone enough to work for them. I had one tell me that he felt that "work ethic" was something "rich people" made up to get the workers working harder.... This same person has no problem accepting food stamps from the govt though...

Without money how does one survive? It has been shown time and again that when civilizations form they always come up with some form of money. In this society (Aspie Island) that we are talking about, how do we all contribute and survive outside of systems such as money or bartering?

I'm not sure if it's narcissistic or rational. Both my psychiatrist and father told me to go live in a monastery. The problem is I can't stand monks and I kinda need sex. The problem with the chimps you speak of is they are quite intelligent, organized (with the leaders and their sheep/flock) and very dangerous to themselves and all other species. They've been butchering each other since the beginning of time and turning the land into a wasteland.

Iceland is an island, let's all move there.

I don't have a problem with work, working hard or the concept of "work ethic". Clearly the resources we all consume do not fall like mana from heaven. Money is a useful tool for the distribution and rationing of scarce resources.

I'm more than happy to participate in that kind of society. Like I said it's just these (to me) alien motivators such as greed and the lust for power and dominance that make me uncomfortable. Do we really need the Larry Ellison's of this world with their enormous penis extensions locked forever in one-upmanship with Paul Allen and the Oil Sheiks?

You seem to really be against anyone who is a billionare... what about millionaires? Are all those people also "bad" in your book? Or is it the case that you presonally know these people or that you know they take less than contribute or....?

Just trying to understand what this disdain is for people who have wealth and where the line is here. Is there a line? It seems to be fairly common amongst the Adult AS folks I have recently befriended as well and I really don't get it at all.

Capitalism is a pyramid in which the many at the bottom have to toil to create wealth for the few at the top. It's an inherently unjust system, and very few (actually, none) of the people who are truly rich are rich because they worked thousands of times harder than those who have far less than they do. They are rich because they were able to exploit the labor and resources of others.

I've noticed on this forum that many of we adult Aspies, either dxed or self dxed later in life, seem to have a level of success in life that those twenty years behind us find incomprehensible. Marriage, families, careers... I'm not so sure they feel entitled in as much as they have been told that they couldn't possibly do it. How much of that is belief programmed by professionals that severely underestimated their potential and trained their parents and them into these lowly expectations?

My childhood wasn't easy - or the teen years on. My parents expected me to go to college and in order to do that I needed good grades. I never knew there was a choice so I got good grades and went to college. Social life was a train wreck. Not sure how I survived into adulthood at times. But even through some of my stupider moments - I still got those good grades. It was required. Problem was, nobody told me what happened after college. Finding out I had to figure that out on my own definitely pushed me into self sufficiency because there was no other choice. I didn't see that coming but, my mother made sure I had the internal tools to make it happen.

Would any of that have happened if I had a dx as a kid? I don't know. But, I do know, if you have low expectations, you will probably fulfill them. If you never challenge yourself, you will never grow. Doesn't matter who you are or what your dx is - that is a universal truth. If you parents expected you to be on disability and food stamps your whole life and professionals supported that belief, why would you question it, especially if you are an Aspie already? Being rigid with laws and rules is an Aspie trait. My 8yo daughter is the postergirl for this trait. If I told her she was always going to be on disability and food stamps, she would take it as law and that would be her fate - she'd even argue for the validity of it because someone in authority deemed it to be so. But, I am already talking to her about college and getting good grades. We've already looked up requirements for palentology majors at Penn State. I'm not programming her to fail. I can't help but wonder how many of this 'first generation' of official Aspies have been programmed to fail from the day of their dx. Just as Temple Grandin has suggested.

Work ethic is something you learn from your parents. Working hard for the personal pride of doing a good job is learned. If parents do nothing but b***h and complain how bitterly unfair it is how hard they work and how everyone else has it better - you program your kids for a belief in their entitlement. It's a pretty clear connection. I have no arguements for those NT slackers. They are on their own.

And the food stamps thing always stops me cold. For a slacker to expect a government handout is one thing. I've witnessed those first hand myself. I don't think you intended this as a blanket condemnation of everyone on food stamps but I can see how those who rely on the government would possibly be offended. The program is there for a purpose - to help those that truly cannot help themselves. It is widely abused, no doubt. I've never qualified for food stamps and would never want to - the abject poverty that is required in order to get them is a place I never want be in. But I am grateful to know that my decades of paying taxes will afford me that benefit if my life should ever come to that. I bear no ill will for those that legitimately need them. If some slacker is that ignorant and thinks he can get food stamps while driving around in his new car, sitting home playing WoW all day on his 38" flatscreen in his $1200month apartment... he has another thing coming. In fact, it would be hilarious to see his face when he finds his master plan won't work. Anybody that WANTS to be on food stamps clearly has no idea how the public welfare system works.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that expressing dissatisfaction with the status quo is tantamount to declaring oneself a thieving commie free-loader in your eyes.

I didn't say those people were "bad" only that I really don't understand why they are motivated by the endless acquisition of more things and pointlessly ostentatious displays of wealth. I just don't happen to share those motivators, nor the jostling for status and influence. Those things are beyond my comprehension.

I'm just trying to explain a disconnect between my way of thinking and what I see in the world around me. It's not about billionaires are "bad", millionaires are "good" or anything like that.

I keep trying to reply and it's telling me I can't post links even though there isn't one in my comment... What the hell is going on?

Edit: Nevermind, apparently the term U-R-L itself is filtered.

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Society itself can also hold people back. I am on disability for Social Anxiety and whilst I am not officially diagnosed with an ASD I do suspect it. However, even with just a diagnosis of Social Anxiety, Depression and so on I have found that society can often discriminate and deem you as incapable of doing things that actually you are very capable of doing.

Around other humans I have trouble finding the right words and articulating myself well so it is assumed I am not very bright. It is also assumed that because I suffer from an Anxiety disorder that anything remotely challenging would be too much for me to cope with. I recently spoke to a therapist about my desire to return to study via a distance learning course that I could do from home and their response was that they thought I would find it too much to cope with. Many years ago I started a degree, and no I did not finish it, but that was not because I could not do the work or because I was failing grade wise...I was having family, financial and social problems which is why this time I thought distance learning would work well for me.

The frustrating thing is that academically I was an A average. I didn't need to tear my hair out to get those grades. I rarely, if ever worried about what grade the paper I was writing was going to be (I just had fun with it and did my best) and I have never needed to revise for an exam in my life. And yet society limits me and tells me it does not think I can do something when I can. When it comes to working, yes I struggle with the social aspects, but if I were to work in a job that had little people interaction and where I could work alone...quite frankly I could excel. Yet when I spoke to them about that, again they said they did not think I could cope with it. Errr...

Society is very annoying sometimes and it seems to refuse to see my potential just because I am socially awkward.

Also the fact that I have a history of mental health problems also goes against me.

I am trying to figure out a way to go into business for myself....I just need to win the lottery first! (There is a way, I know there is and I will find it but I want to see if I can turn my interests into a profit making venture in the process).

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Please don't conflate capitalism with corporatism. Corporatism allows for exploitation, not free trade. Government grants economic protection to big corporations via regulatory barriers to entry, preventing smaller corporations from being able to compete with them, and thus granting big corporations an oligopoly.

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Change your attitude or become a hermit.

ruveyn

Svalbard is an archipelago and it has polar bears. It therefore beats Iceland.

both wil lbe mostly underwater when the ice caps melt...

Living in a domed underwater city is gonna be great!