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cubedemon6073
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21 Mar 2011, 8:42 am

Honestly, I have my doubts about the word Neurotypical. This world consists of many people with different beliefs and thought processes. NT seems to be understood to mean non-ASD which is vague.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:18 pm

Well, can you blame them?

I'm sure a lot people here have been harassed their entire lives by NTs.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:23 pm

Freak-Z wrote:
Well, can you blame them?

I'm sure a lot people here have been harassed their entire lives by NT's.


Harassed my entire life by jerks.
What does being 'NT' have to do with it?



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21 Mar 2011, 12:30 pm

emlion wrote:
Freak-Z wrote:
Well, can you blame them?

I'm sure a lot people here have been harassed their entire lives by NT's.


Harassed my entire life by jerks.
What does being 'NT' have to do with it?


Nothing, we probaly just assume that those jerks are NTs.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:31 pm

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The NT hate here is why I find it hard to be a committed member here. I think aspies and NTs see the world differeently - but all viewpoints are valid and worthy of consideration. Aspies here always talk about how blind NTs are to things, but guess what? We are blind to stuff too. We all have faults, but we all have good things about us too. I truly believe we can share a world together.

I also hate how people act like every NT is identical when even in my own family their are vast differences. I get really tired of the us vs them in these forums. I get tired of people here acting superior, and thinking they aren't being judgemental because they are a minority.


One of the reasons people here might think they are superiour is because they have gone their entire lives being told that they are inferior by NTs just becasue they are different. It makes sense that they may feel a bit of resentment.

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i think all minorities (ethnics, gay) feel resentment at the bigger group "as a whole" , even if they can like individual people in the group. It's just a shame aspies will never be cool like other groups. Black people have malcolm x, black power rappers. Gay people have all the cool activists and rock stars like freddie mercury and elton john. What do we have..Napoleon Dynamite, Forrest Gump. Even successful supposed aspies like Spielburg and Gates look nerdy and dull. There are some cool aspies out there though. But we're not all cool.


Who gives a crap about being cool?

Give me Napoleon Dynamite, Forrest Gump, Spielburg and Gates over rock stars and rappers any day.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:38 pm

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Give me Napoleon Dynamite, Forrest Gump, Spielburg and Gates over rock stars and rappers any day.


liking those things in itself is seen as 'cool' these days.
it's cool to be uncool.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:43 pm

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Give me Napoleon Dynamite, Forrest Gump, Spielburg and Gates over rock stars and rappers any day.


liking those things in itself is seen as 'cool' these days.
it's cool to be uncool.


Yes but they were never meant to be well maybe Napoleon Dynamite was. My point sill stands. Most people who are considered cool usually suck.



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21 Mar 2011, 12:46 pm

hill-o-beans wrote:
i think all minorities (ethnics, gay) feel resentment at the bigger group "as a whole" , even if they can like individual people in the group.


Yeah, I think that happens within all minorities, although of course not every single person in the minority feels that way. It's just that when some other kind of person has more power overall than another kind of person, it breeds resentment from those who are "underneath" them. And some people express that resentment by acting like they're superior.

So I understand how it happens. I don't have to like it, however. I don't think it's as damaging as when some NTs hate us, because they have a lot more power to damage our lives than we have to damage theirs. So when we do become resentful, it's a sort of impotent resentment that usually can't go very far to actual destructiveness.

That said, I really don't like it when people act like NTs are inferior. I mean, it's one thing when it's satire, to sort of kick people out of their complacency. But it's another thing when it's true hatred. I think I'm the person who actually coined the word "autistic supremacist" to describe that kind of behavior, and I coined it because I really don't like it. I don't think it helps anyone. I believe nonautistic people and autistic people -- frankly, all kinds of people -- are equal in value.

I also don't like it when people act like the word NT has to be pejorative. It doesn't. It's never pejorative when I use it, and that's probably because I picked the word up at a time when it was never pejorative, over ten years ago. I don't actually prefer using the word, but sometimes it slips out. And it's very difficult for me to correct and rearrange my language to make it square with however other people seem to think it has to be used. So it's very hard for me to not use it when it does pop up. So I hate when people act like just because I use the word then I must hate them. That's not what the word was intended for and I refuse to let it be defined by autistic supremacists.


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21 Mar 2011, 12:47 pm

When I think of NT I don't just think of an ordinary person. Most ordinary, everyday people have a mix of loner/aspie and social traits imo. The term NT for me conjures up an extreme image of a super, good social skills, manipulative, face-wiggling seductive expert people-player. I think most people in the world find people like that arrogant too, as they have movies mocking/critisising those types of people. For example I saw tom cruise on tv the other day and his face looked all sincere, and did all the right expressions. I think he is an ultimate NT. not that i dont like him, just noticed he is very social.



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21 Mar 2011, 1:05 pm

Weird. When I think NT, I simply think of someone without any obvious neurological atypicalities (or in some contexts a nonautistic person, although that's sloppy, but words are sloppy in general so meh). It doesn't have any such specific meanings to me.


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21 Mar 2011, 1:16 pm

i guess it is silly to think of NT as a super minority when the acronym stands for "typical". Must be the bad press they get.



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21 Mar 2011, 1:21 pm

anbuend wrote:
Weird. When I think NT, I simply think of someone without any obvious neurological atypicalities (or in some contexts a nonautistic person, although that's sloppy, but words are sloppy in general so meh). It doesn't have any such specific meanings to me.


Your way of using it is the way I use it to refer to myself here. I think it's best to keep it simple and not start piling on any diagnostic features like "very social extrovert". You have written about how aggravating and misleading it is when autism researchers/clinicians bundle diagnostic features and assume that certain things will always go together rather than taking the time to get to know the person. I appreciate that you don't do that exact same thing to NTs.



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21 Mar 2011, 9:16 pm

hill-o-beans wrote:
i think all minorities (ethnics, gay) feel resentment at the bigger group "as a whole" , even if they can like individual people in the group. It's just a shame aspies will never be cool like other groups. Black people have malcolm x, black power rappers. Gay people have all the cool activists and rock stars like freddie mercury and elton john. What do we have..Napoleon Dynamite, Forrest Gump. Even successful supposed aspies like Spielburg and Gates look nerdy and dull. There are some cool aspies out there though. But we're not all cool.


Einstein is cool, as is Isaac Newton - ask any physicist. And remember that physics is the science that allows all modern technology to progress.