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01 Apr 2011, 4:51 pm

My SO's mother decided to read a book about AS, which I thought was nice. But afterwards, she basically diagnosed everyone she knew as having it, because they had one trait or another, nevermind that they fit exactly zero of the actual diagnostic criteria. :wall:



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01 Apr 2011, 5:03 pm

I refuse to do that. I don't blame anything on my AS.


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01 Apr 2011, 5:23 pm

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This is why I don't understand why you keep bringing these things up.


Perhaps I ''read between the lines'' a bit too much, and think that there's a hidden point put across what you wasn't trying to say, I don't know.
The reason why I keep bringing up NT behaviour vs Autistic behaviour is because I grew up in an NT family and went to mainstream school and so basically had no choice but to follow the rest and become involved in them, since I am aware of the NT world, even though I don't always understand it much or sometimes find it difficult to fit in at times. I do admire NTs (it's just the way I am), and I do take in a lot of information about NT behaviour and their emotions and everything, and often I come across behaviours and thoughts what make me think, ''but I thought only Autistic people done that....'' and sometimes it confuses me. I've only met one other person on the spectrum, and that was only 4 years ago, and even he's different to me, although we share the Autistic traits, but they come out in different ways. Neurology varies from human to human anyway, whether you're neurotypical or neurological. But otherwise, as a child, I had never ever met another Autistic person, and so I've never knew any better other than myself.


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01 Apr 2011, 5:28 pm

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This is why I don't understand why you keep bringing these things up.


Perhaps I ''read between the lines'' a bit too much, and think that there's a hidden point put across what you wasn't trying to say, I don't know.
The reason why I keep bringing up NT behaviour vs Autistic behaviour is because I grew up in an NT family and went to mainstream school and so basically had no choice but to follow the rest and become involved in them, since I am aware of the NT world, even though I don't always understand it much or sometimes find it difficult to fit in at times. I do admire NTs (it's just the way I am), and I do take in a lot of information about NT behaviour and their emotions and everything, and often I come across behaviours and thoughts what make me think, ''but I thought only Autistic people done that....'' and sometimes it confuses me. I've only met one other person on the spectrum, and that was only 4 years ago, and even he's different to me, although we share the Autistic traits, but they come out in different ways. Neurology varies from human to human anyway, whether you're neurotypical or neurological. But otherwise, as a child, I had never ever met another Autistic person, and so I've never knew any better other than myself.


Okay, thanks, I get it now. Sorry if it seemed like I was having a go.



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01 Apr 2011, 8:54 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Some things that bug me are people blaming rudeness on AS or saying they are honest because of AS. To me, that's just excuse making. People are rude because they are rude or honest because they are honest. I have known plenty of NTs who are honest to the point of causing others mental anguish and people who are rude because they think it's cool to be rude. Some people burp at the table and laugh out loudly afterwards, not because they have AS, but because they think it's hilarious to do so.


And I hate when I come off as rude to others because of how the aspergers effects my social skills and then being accused of making excuses when I am just trying to explain myself so people don't take my intentions wrong. If I want to come of as rude I will attempt, but if I am not attempting to be rude then I do not think I actually am.

and I personally can't figure out why burping would be rude, its a natural body function.....but thats personal opinion nothing to do with having aspergers.

But that's a different kind of rudeness and it's not just Aspies who have the problem. This is part of the black and white thinking. Aspies are supposed to be rude, blunt, honest to the point of agony. It's not true. Sure, I blunder from time to time, but I make a conscientious effort to spare the others feelings whenever possible. I don't just say to myself "it's okay because I am Aspie and that's just the way we are." I don't subscribe to that philosophy.


Well yeah I agree, I certainly don't think that way.....but I have been accused of it which pisses me off because I hate when people completly refuse to see the other side of things. I mean if I come off as rude but was not intending to be rude I do try and see it from the other persons perspective.

There's rudeness that could be due to a blunder and then there's blatant rudeness that people do for the sake of being rude. I can understand why someone with AS would be accidentally rude, I've done it myself, many times. I don't excuse it with AS, though. I think, I need to try harder to spare the other person's feelings by choosing my words carefully, keeping in mind that others might not always want to hear my opinion in it's unfettered form just as I don't always wish to hear theirs. This makes it easier to enjoy the positive side of AS and it does have a fabulous, whimsical, inspirational, insightful, super innovative side.
Who wants to spend all their life offending others?



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01 Apr 2011, 9:54 pm

I think you are correct. Normal people do a lot of the things we do. It is just the extremeness of it that makes it odd. Otherwise, I think either I was raised in a world with a bunch of aspies, or everyone has a lot of aspie traits. For instance;

My best friend
-Has deep obsessions
-Doesn't like social situations
-Mirrors people in social situations
-Is brilliant
-Doesn't find the need for friends, except me and her family

...and I'm sure I could think of more

My older brother
-Was bullied when he was a kid
-Has obsessions
-Is brilliant, but didn't do as well in school because of his spaceyness (Wait... the test was TODAY? *still makes B on test*)
-Loves things like D&D and other imaginary games
-Uses huge words that I don't even know
-Is a bit socially awkward, as much as he loves people
-Was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD when he was a kid
-Is hypo-sensitive, doesn't feel pain, see anything, hear or smell very well, ect
-Monologues
-Didn't speak until he was three. But could speak in complete sentences then.
-Stutters


My younger brother
-He is hypersensitive to EVERYTHING, light, sound, smell, you name it. He just feels more than everyone
-Stims
-Hates to be touched

My sister
-Can be rude
-Doesn't read people well
-Doesn't quite know what to tell people and what information to keep to herself
-Will throw a fit if something isn't done "right" even if we are in a store or restaurant
-Has obsessions
-Will monologue about certain subjects
-Certain sounds, smells and sights bother her and she "can't" not say anything about then.
-Stutters

The president of my campus organization
-Was picked on when he was young
-Hates loud crowded rooms
-Startles so easily it is funny
-Has routines he has to follow
-Sees things as black and white


So I think my older brother may actually be an aspie, but the rest are actually pretty normal people. Anyone who knows the president of the organization would laugh if I said that he was aspie because of these traits because of how un-aspie the rest of him is.



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02 Apr 2011, 12:31 am

if someone generates a behavior
which
causes me to feel entitled
to respond with negativity
then
i already had that negativity within me
waiting for an excuse to come out

this is an essential point
and
by proper study
may lead to peace

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02 Apr 2011, 7:01 am

I do blame a lot of my problems on my autism and ADHD and epilepsy and PMDD.

Sometimes when such sudden change happens I just shutdown.......autism.
Even sensory issues are common on the spectrum and mine are severe.

Lack of focus, too much energy, jumping from one thing to another and becoming bored because I can't focus on one thing.......ADHD

Aura, jerking movements, visual and auditory hallucinations, tingling/ burning in limbs.......epilepsy.

A feeling of despair and becoming angry at people to the point of hating them at a very certain time of the month.....PMDD.

Sometimes we are right to blame something on our conditions. I don't blame my flat feet on autism or my skin condition on ADHD. But there are physical symptoms that can happen because of them. Food sensitivity might have something to do with being autistic/ADHD because it makes my symptoms worse and when I eat right the symptoms aren't as severe. Actually it is more so with my ADHD. The same goes for PMDD and epilepsy. I really have to watch what I eat and drink if I want to avoid seizures.

Anyway I don't complain too much because I get yelled at or my friend's will just go quiet. But I have every right to blame all this stuff on my conditions because they fit with the symptoms.


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02 Apr 2011, 10:04 am

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I do blame a lot of my problems on my autism and ADHD and epilepsy and PMDD.

Sometimes when such sudden change happens I just shutdown.......autism.
Even sensory issues are common on the spectrum and mine are severe.

Lack of focus, too much energy, jumping from one thing to another and becoming bored because I can't focus on one thing.......ADHD

Aura, jerking movements, visual and auditory hallucinations, tingling/ burning in limbs.......epilepsy.

A feeling of despair and becoming angry at people to the point of hating them at a very certain time of the month.....PMDD.

Sometimes we are right to blame something on our conditions. I don't blame my flat feet on autism or my skin condition on ADHD. But there are physical symptoms that can happen because of them. Food sensitivity might have something to do with being autistic/ADHD because it makes my symptoms worse and when I eat right the symptoms aren't as severe. Actually it is more so with my ADHD. The same goes for PMDD and epilepsy. I really have to watch what I eat and drink if I want to avoid seizures.

Anyway I don't complain too much because I get yelled at or my friend's will just go quiet. But I have every right to blame all this stuff on my conditions because they fit with the symptoms.


You are right. Stuff what fit in with your symptoms are different. But when people think that all Autistic people have big eyes, or pale skin, or anything else like that what is most likely just your natural build, it is just adding new issues to one condition. I have a sinus and ear problem, but I don't blame that on having AS or Dyspraxia. That is just a separate condition I have, whether I had been born NT or not. But I do blame my blocked nose and dizziness and headaches in the forehead on the sinus problem, because it is obviously what is causing these symptoms, but I don't blame the sinus problem on AS at all.


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02 Apr 2011, 10:13 am

I like to speculate that my eccentricities are somehow tangibly-related to being Autistic,
but that's all it is- speculation.

Sick of all the:

Do I have a birdhouse phobia due to Autism?
Do I love mac and cheese because I'm Aspie?
Does anyone else have abnormally small feet?


It's silly.


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04 Apr 2011, 9:53 am

It also annoys me when people blame typical child behaviour on Autism. I'm not talking about social behaviour - I'm just talking about behaviour in general, for example with play or entertainment. Just because a small child is watching the same video or DVD over and over again, doesn't mean you have to consider it Autistic behaviour. Just because a child is sliding down a slide repetitively, doesn't mean he/she has Autism. Just because a child is shy, doesn't mean he/she has Autism.

It's also silly when people think that it's an Aspie thing for a child not to want to do their homework. A child not wanting to do their homework is a typical kid thing. When I was at school, every child in the classroom groaned each time we got set any homework.

I think, in general (in toddlers especially), general behaviour of children, (Aspie or NT) are generally similar. It's no good trying to get a 3-year-old diagnosed, just because he/she likes electrical things. When my brother was 2, he already knew how to work the TV set, and would sit for hours watching the same video all over again, without getting distracted onto anything. My mum and dad could have got concerned and thought he may have been Autistic, but it turned out he is NT (he's 24 now and is a ''typical'' NT).


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04 Apr 2011, 2:15 pm

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It also annoys me when people blame typical child behaviour on Autism. I'm not talking about social behaviour - I'm just talking about behaviour in general, for example with play or entertainment. Just because a small child is watching the same video or DVD over and over again, doesn't mean you have to consider it Autistic behaviour. Just because a child is sliding down a slide repetitively, doesn't mean he/she has Autism. Just because a child is shy, doesn't mean he/she has Autism.

It's also silly when people think that it's an Aspie thing for a child not to want to do their homework. A child not wanting to do their homework is a typical kid thing. When I was at school, every child in the classroom groaned each time we got set any homework.

I think, in general (in toddlers especially), general behaviour of children, (Aspie or NT) are generally similar. It's no good trying to get a 3-year-old diagnosed, just because he/she likes electrical things. When my brother was 2, he already knew how to work the TV set, and would sit for hours watching the same video all over again, without getting distracted onto anything. My mum and dad could have got concerned and thought he may have been Autistic, but it turned out he is NT (he's 24 now and is a ''typical'' NT).


Odd that my family doctor insisted all the things I was concerned about with my daughter were 'normal' and she'd grow out of them.

I agree that there is a point where some people are paranoid but that is a much different thing from a parent with valid concerns. The thing is, how to tell the difference...



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I agree that there is a point where some people are paranoid but that is a much different thing from a parent with valid concerns. The thing is, how to tell the difference...


Well, seeing signs of an Aspie in toddlers is difficult. Apparently I didn't show any signs at all when I was a toddler - until I started school, where the symptoms came out all in one big blurt. This shocked my parents, since I was such a typical toddler, and my parents knew I was a typical toddler because they knew a lot of other people who had children the same age as me, and I wasn't any different to them. I even mixed with them well, and would hold hands with them when walking or running down the street, and want to play on the swings with them. Also I had a lot of cousins who were around my age, and nobody saw any difference in my behaviour with them either. And I reached all the milestones at the average stages, intellectually and physically.
But when I first started school, apparently I was so ''frightened'', that I couldn't cope, and my mum had to come and see the teachers, and doctors and psychiatrists were involved, and they still couldn't figure out what was wrong. It took them from the day I started school to when I was 8 years old to actually discover the specific condition.


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I agree that there is a point where some people are paranoid but that is a much different thing from a parent with valid concerns. The thing is, how to tell the difference...


Well, seeing signs of an Aspie in toddlers is difficult. Apparently I didn't show any signs at all when I was a toddler - until I started school, where the symptoms came out all in one big blurt. This shocked my parents, since I was such a typical toddler, and my parents knew I was a typical toddler because they knew a lot of other people who had children the same age as me, and I wasn't any different to them. I even mixed with them well, and would hold hands with them when walking or running down the street, and want to play on the swings with them. Also I had a lot of cousins who were around my age, and nobody saw any difference in my behaviour with them either. And I reached all the milestones at the average stages, intellectually and physically.
But when I first started school, apparently I was so ''frightened'', that I couldn't cope, and my mum had to come and see the teachers, and doctors and psychiatrists were involved, and they still couldn't figure out what was wrong. It took them from the day I started school to when I was 8 years old to actually discover the specific condition.


I think it depends on the toddler...



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I think it depends on the toddler...


Yes it can, and it might also depend on how severe the Autism is in the toddler.


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05 Apr 2011, 11:40 am

I have no idea what I do is AS or not because it seems like to me everyone has symptoms of it so I don't even know if this happened because of my AS. Things I did as a child, I have no idea if it was because of me being a little kid or because of the AS. All little kids take phrases literal and have narrow interests and get fixated on something and focus on it and watch the same thing over and over. All little kids say inappropriate things and make rude comments because their social filter hasn't developed yet. So when an aspie kid does those things, it's hard to tell so I guess that's why some doctors don't like placing the AS label on a toddler until they get to elementary school.


I cannot see how I got diagnosed with autism as a toddler even though I had a speech delay because in the videos I look like a normal toddler. I didn't show any classic or typical signs of autism. But yet I have read I displayed autistic behavior but I never saw it in the videos except I was quiet and didn't talk.


I also have anxiety, ADD, and learning difficulties so I have no idea if what I am having is part of one of those like am I acting this way because of my anxiety, am I acting this way because I am hungry, is this issue because of AS or a learning issue, is this a ADD thing. Do I do this stim because of my AS, am I not looking at someone because I am too shy and nervous. Did I say the wrong thing because of my AS.



I don't blame my big boobs or my body size or my hair color or my eye color on autism. I also don't blame my childish interests on it either. Me hating people, nope. I'll just say I rarely blame things on my AS.