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04 Apr 2011, 6:03 am

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I don't dislike her, myself. Just some things she's said annoys me (like the slob comment in the quoted interview, but there are other things as well).

There are other things that annoy me that I would not actually say have to do directly with her, such has how the media frames her as an autistic spokesperson and how her views seem to get propagated a bit more widely than other autistic people. That is, her views should be out there, I am not saying otherwise. Just that there are other takes, some with more nuance, that are not nearly so well known.

I think that has come about in large because she is in a seemingly unique position of having had Autism as a child - as the average person understands Autism - i.e. non verbal, non communicative etc, and having also done some quite notable things as an adult in spite of that; things that would stand alone as substantial achievements in themselves - regardless of the particulars of your background. So from that point of view as a sound bite, the media naturally gravitates towards that, and there you have your story. Thats why she has become a 'spokesperson' not from her own volition, but because there is a lot on interest in her.

And the slobs thing, c'mon shes old! All old people complain about young kids being slobs, discourteous etc its part of the curriculum of being an old person regardless of your neurology, race, language or anything else to be allowed to complain about younger generations

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04 Apr 2011, 6:19 am

Temple does grate on my nerves in some ways, but the bit about slobby Aspies is dead on.

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04 Apr 2011, 6:24 am

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Temple does grate on my nerves in some ways, but the bit about slobby Aspies is dead on.

Don't you think it's odd that Temple describes how she was raised to describe how she behaved, but when she describes other autistic children she makes it sound like they are specifically responsible for not having the same upbringing (provided by her mother) that she did?

It's this curious sleight of hand that a lot of older people do, "In my day, my parents didn't allow me to get away with X. Today's children don't know how to behave."

I'll also mention again (as I did in the laziness thread) that "executive dysfunction" does a number on one's ability to manage and sustain organization. Whatever one may want to do, implementation can sometimes seem like rocket science.

I don't think it was oppressive or whatever, I just found the statement annoying.

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04 Apr 2011, 6:27 am

The concept of "fault" in general is highly illusory.

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04 Apr 2011, 6:37 am

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The concept of "fault" in general is highly illusory.

And yet it is frequently mobilized.

It's a semantic issue for me, though. Semantic issues often annoy me, it's one of my luxuries.

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04 Apr 2011, 6:49 am

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Poke wrote:

Temple does grate on my nerves in some ways, but the bit about slobby Aspies is dead on.

I do not think she is saying that at all. Here is the quote from that article, and I think she is saying there is no excuse for parents who do not teach manners ...

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Her family and the therapist spent hours playing games to help her with this, taking time to teach Grandin how to say "please" and "thank you", sit up straight and speak politely. "I had table manners drilled into me as a child, I couldn't comment on fat ladies in the supermarket. When I look back, that was a good thing. I'm seeing way too many Asperger kids who are total slobs. There is just no excuse for that."

Also, I suspect her being so blunt is far more of an autistic characteristic than any character judgment of others like herself.

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04 Apr 2011, 7:15 am

I don't care about her bluntness.

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04 Apr 2011, 8:26 am

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jmnixon95 wrote:

She's annoying mainly because she says she has "Asperger's." I think I may have already said this about her before, but if anyone knows anything about her early development, she claims to have had "severe autism." You don't go from "severe autism" to "Asperger's", anyone with even a basic understanding of the Autism Spectrum would know that. And she calls it "Asperger"... that irks me for some reason. You don't have Hans Asperger, do you?

One of the misconceptions is you can't. In fact you can because of the continuum nature of autism. You can go forward or backward at different times in your life. Why that is remains a mystery.
This is why Asperger's is autism and not a separate condition.

Ha. Then do tell me why "typical acquisition of language skills" is an Asperger's characteristic, will you?
She didn't speak for a long time. That isn't typical acquisition. Aspies start speaking around the same time as NTs (about two years old); she began at four. Not typical.

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04 Apr 2011, 8:53 am

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Ha. Then do tell me why "typical acquisition of language skills" is an Asperger's characteristic, will you?

Because a group of people decided that it should be.

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04 Apr 2011, 9:38 am

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Ha. Then do tell me why "typical acquisition of language skills" is an Asperger's characteristic, will you?

Because a group of people decided that it should be.

That's not the point. It was sarcastic.

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04 Apr 2011, 9:50 am

So the rest of your post, and the one you made before it, were also sarcastic?

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04 Apr 2011, 9:51 am

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So the rest of your post, and the one you made before it, were also sarcastic?

No. How is that even a logical assumption?

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04 Apr 2011, 10:01 am

How, exactly, was the statement I first replied to "sarcastic"?

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04 Apr 2011, 10:06 am

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How, exactly, was the statement I first replied to "sarcastic"?

I wasn't even talking to you, so I'm just going to leave it at that. If you don't detect it, you don't detect it.

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04 Apr 2011, 10:21 am

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I wasn't even talking to you, so I'm just going to leave it at that. If you don't detect it, you don't detect it.

LOL--I wasn't even talking to you...

Both of your posts revolve around this "normal language acquisition" hangup, as if it were some utterly reliable way to distinguish two utterly distinct conditions--including the supposedly "sarcastic" comment, Then do tell me why "typical acquisition of language skills" is an Asperger's characteristic, will you?

Your understanding of autism/Asperger's is obviously crude and superficial.

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04 Apr 2011, 11:03 am

A major criterion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association is that there is "no clinically significant delay in the onset of language." in asperger's..

DSM IV's criteria for autism includes " qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following: 1. delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)"
there are obviously other criteria, however

"Your understanding of autism/Asperger's is obviously crude and superficial." & this is just rude.. :roll:

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